[Uri’el-2012]

XS>Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel !

Ever heard of Ishmael?

116 posted on 07/11/2007 7:57:40 AM MDT by LeGrande

A study on the breath of Elohim:

Abram became Abraham

Abram became Abraham when Elohim breathed into Abram
the Ru'ach HaKodesh as indicated by the "HEY" at the end of his name.

Sarai became Sarah

Sarai became Sarah when Elohim breathed into Sarai
the Ru'ach HaKodesh as indicated by the "HEY" at the end of her name.

See the letter : Hey

Ishmael was born to Abram, when Abram was in the flesh, before Elohim breathed the Ru'ach HaKodesh into him.

Isaac was born to Abraham and Sarah after Elohim breathed the Ru'ach HaKodesh into both of them.

So even if Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, Ishmael did not worship the Elohim of Abraham.

b'shem Yah'shua

[sandude]

So even if Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, Ishmael did not worship the Elohim of Abraham.

I think that there is more to the story here. Many people who read the Bible believe that once Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away that there was no more contact. The traditions of the Muslim world tell of Abraham and Ishmael building altars together in Mecca. This in fact may be true. The Old Testament was a record kept by the descendent's of Issac and I don't think they were interested at all in preserving anything other than their own story. We do get a clue though in Genesis 25:9.

And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah...

This scripture supports the view that there was indeed contact between Abraham and Ishmael throughout Abraham's life. How else could Ishmael have known his father had died? If they did build altars in Mecca and elsewhere as the Muslim traditions hold then I think you can make a case that they did worship the same God.

[LeGrande]

So even if Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, Ishmael did not worship the Elohim of Abraham.

So do the Jews believe in the same God that you do?