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To: StAthanasiustheGreat; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; OLD REGGIE; Uncle Chip; Frumanchu; ears_to_hear; ...
I don't think you want to start bringing up all the attacks from BOTH sides during the wars of religion. Cause there are just as many Protestant attacks as Catholic ones.

No, that is an absurd statement. Protestants never created an organization within the church to act as storm troopers whose sole mission was to exterminate other religions.

As you know, the church in Rome did just that.

The Reformation was fought with faith and Scripture. The counter-Reformation was fought with blood and deception.

39 posted on 07/09/2007 11:01:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The counter-Reformation was fought with blood and deception.

Blood? If you want to talk blood, we can talk about the martyrs that were killed by Protestants.

40 posted on 07/09/2007 11:32:21 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For those who don't or can't remember ---

July 22, 1209 : Horrible Massacre at Beziers in the Name of Christ

"The knights and bishops in control of the crusade could easily have stopped the bloodshed. Instead, they did nothing to halt the slaughter. A horde of howling camp-followers raged through the city, killing everyone they found. They entered the churches, where the town's folk huddled in terror, and butchered them in cold blood, although some of the victims undoubtedly hoped for divine intervention as they held up relics and crucifixes.

"The assault against the Cathars at Beziers. The pope's representative seemed untroubled by the massacre when he wrote to his master, Innocent III, that "neither age, nor sex, nor status had been spared." In fact, a popular account said that Arnald-Amaury, the pope's legate, was asked at the height of the butchery how the killers should distinguish Catholic from heretic. He was said to have replied."Kill them all; God will recognize his own." Although this cannot be verified, it indicates how some contemporaries felt about the event.

"Beziers is a city in Southern France, near the Mediterranean, across from Italy. We associate crusades with the Middle East. So how come a crusade was taking place there?

"The region of southern and western France was infected with movements which opposed Catholicism. Especially strong in that area were the Cathars, also known as Albigenses (because they were strongest around Albi). According to Catholic sources, the Cathars had corrupted Christian teachings with many false doctrines. (Virtually all Cathar literature was destroyed so we know little about what they really taught.) However, Cathar elders lived holy lives, and in an age in which the church was rich, top-heavy, and corrupt, the simple, pure Cathars attracted many followers.

"The pope offered wicked men pardon for their sins if they would undertake a crusade against the heretics. The prospect of loot excited many to join the army. The crusaders swept down upon Beziers, arriving July 21, 1209. The city was well-provisioned for a fight. Catholic and heretic alike joined to defend it against the crusaders. That Beziers did not give the invaders a real fight was owing to a mistake. On this day, July 22, 1209, a group of defenders rode out with white pennants shooting arrows at the crusaders. They killed one. Furious, a bunch of rag-tag camp followers, without proper weapons, rushed the walls. Beziers had not expected an attack so soon; the walls were not properly manned. Defenders fled. Within three hours, the crusaders had taken a city that they had thought they would have to beseige for several months.

"The knights and bishops did nothing to stop the killing. But when the poor soldiers began to loot, the knights stepped in. The plunder was for them. They found it easy enough to stop their followers then. But some of the looters, angry at being cheated out of their share of the spoils, set buildings on fire. Soon much of the town was ablaze, and within a few hours the crusaders had to pull out, the heat was so intense. Many valuables perished in the blaze.

"The fall of Beziers doomed the Cathars. Many Catholics made terms with the crusaders, handing over local Cathars. In other places, Cathars abandoned their cities and burned their castles so the invaders could not use them. But Carcassone, a Cathar stronghold, held out for several months and managed to obtain decent terms of surrender."

[by the Staff or associates of Christian History Institute. © Copyright 1999-2006. All rights reserved.]

42 posted on 07/09/2007 12:12:30 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Reformation was fought with faith and Scripture.

Tell it to Margaret Clitherow.

45 posted on 07/09/2007 1:30:44 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Protestants never created an organization within the church to act as storm troopers whose sole mission was to exterminate other religions.

Au contraire, you speak without knowing and are too lazy to learn why. CHeck out the Orange order in Ireland, the protestant masonic hegemony against the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

If you are so ill informed about the facts then you should apologize for making rash statements.

57 posted on 07/09/2007 7:23:38 PM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
No, that is an absurd statement. Protestants never created an organization within the church to act as storm troopers whose sole mission was to exterminate other religions. As you know, the church in Rome did just that. The Reformation was fought with faith and Scripture. The counter-Reformation was fought with blood and deception.

Amen.

There were abuses by Protestants, since they held to a state-church system.

But the RCC with its Inquisitions and Crusades was in a category all by itself.

58 posted on 07/09/2007 9:50:54 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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