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To: xzins; DouglasKC; P-Marlowe; jude24; Kolokotronis; Gamecock; Buggman

This is simply an example of lousy research.

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Otherwise, the celebration happens at Passover, as other European countries acknowledge. There is no biblical problem with recognizing the passover time of year as the time of Jesus, the Lamb of God, being sacrificed. It is entirely biblical that that is when it occurred.

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Thoroughly biblical, and I’m a bit amused at some of the claptrap scholarship that purports to demonstrate otherwise. I’m sure that if I looked hard enough I could find some ancient god from some culture or other to naysay anything that anyone does.

12 posted on 04/03/2007 8:02:34 AM MDT by xzins

Name calling does not make it false.

Yah'shua ( Yah is become my Salvation ) commanded us to celebrate Pesach in His memory.

Sunday worship was mandated by Emperor Constantine the Pagan, Pontiff of the Roman church.

b'shem Yah'shua
18 posted on 04/03/2007 7:36:28 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

And some president of the US, Lincoln(?), mandated that Thanksgiving Day be celebrated.

His mandate had absolutely nothing to do with what was being done prior to that. Thanksgiving was already being celebrated all over the place.

Similarly, Sunday worship was already taking place, even from New Testament times.


36 posted on 04/03/2007 8:58:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: XeniaSt; xzins; DouglasKC; P-Marlowe; jude24; Kolokotronis; Gamecock
Hmm . . . both sides seem to have a few facts wrong here.

Xzins, Easter has never been considered cognate to Passover, which celebrates the sacrifice of the Lamb (and which is observed, if at all, by most Christians as Good Friday), but to the Feast of Firstfruits, the day when our Lord Yeshua was raised as the Firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20, 23). It's true that the King James' translators put "Easter" instead of "Passover" in Acts 12:4, but this was simply one of the many documented errors of the King James Version, an example of reading an anachronism back into the text.

Xenia, while it's true that Constantine mandated Sunday worship and also the Easter-based date of the Resurrection Day--and he was pretty blunt that he didn't want any of the Church's practices linked to those of the Jews--he was in many ways simply ratifying the majority position of the churches at that time. The fact is that many Christians were already worshiping on Sunday (which is not in and of itself a sin, since we should worship every day) and ignoring the Biblical Sabbath (which is a problem) and had adopted and adapted some pagan holidays into their practice.

But let's be fair to those early believers: When they adopted the Feast of Ishtar (Easter) or Saturnalia (Christmas), they were not attempting to bring idols into the Temple like Solomon, so to speak. Rather, they were engaged in a type of cultural "one-upmanship" and outreach. Since those were the days on which everyone was released from work, it made sense to them to co-opt those days--especially in a time when keeping the Jewish Feasts instead only increased the level of persecution.

So they could say, "You celebrate the Feast of Ishtar because you think she brings life*? Well our Lord rose on this day from the dead, and He truly gives eternal life!" Or, "You celebrate the 'rebirth' of the Sun on Saturnalia. But we celebrate the birth of the Son of God, who truly is the Light of the World."

* As in fertility; hence the eggs and bunnies, as the article points out. And that, xzins, is why I respectfully don't buy your alternative explanation for the origin of the name Easter. Even if you are right that the name is merely a coincidence (and to be honest, your explanation seems rather contrived), the symbols of a cult of fertility are all over Easter to this very day.
As a side-note, December 25th was probably chosen because it was roughly equivalent to Kislev 25th on the Jewish Calendar--the beginning of Hanunkkah, and the time of our Lord Yeshua's conception, though not His birth.

Now, do I agree with that decision even though I'm sympathetic to the motives of the early believers and difficult situation they were in? No. I think it was a very human solution in a difficult situation--which is exactly the problem with it. God condemns making up our own appointed times in lieu of His (1 Ki. 12:33, Dan. 7:25), and even in such a time of persecution, the Ekklesia, empowered by His Spirit, should have kept the Biblical Feasts:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Messiah. (Col. 2:16-17)

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Messiah our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (1 Co. 5:7-8)

This isn't about legalism. One is saved by grace received through faith, not by observing all of the right holy days--Abraham was saved by faith 430 years before Passover even existed, after all. However, I remain firm in my belief that by giving up keeping God's Appointed Times, that the Church has lost a great blessing, for the entire plan of Salvation, from the birth of the Messiah and His Forerunner (Elijah/John the Baptist) to the Crucifixion, to the giving of the Holy Spirit to the destruction of the Temple, to the Second Coming/Rapture, to the restoration of God's covenant relationship with Israel, to God dwelling in Jerusalem is played out every year in the Feasts, and we are just now rediscovering this after so long an absence.

We--and here I'm specifically speaking to my fellow Messianics--need to regard this restored gift as a matter of great joy, a blessing to be shared, not as a matter for contention among our brothers and sisters in the Messiah.

78 posted on 04/03/2007 10:49:35 AM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: XeniaSt; DouglasKC; Thinkin' Gal; patriciaruth
I did my first seder last night, and it was amazing. I had to abbreviate the prayers a little, but my girlfriend (and her kids), and my kids, loved it.

It was really amazing how contemporary the prayers were... Passover is a celebration of freedom, and one of the prayers reminds us that there will always be those who wish to kill us. It was beautiful, if a little chilling, and such a wonderful lead-up to remembering the resurrection. The parallel metaphors in the service are quite stunning (not to mention the Last Supper aspect).

Baruch HaShem.

140 posted on 04/03/2007 2:27:26 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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