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Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer
ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.
In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.
According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.
One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."
Russia's motives
In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.
"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.
"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.
"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."
I never used the word “pure.”
You did.
Cornwell is a demonstrated liar with an incentive to make himself look like he has returned to the fold: that he can publish his defamations as some kind of true believer whose eyes have opened by the revelations in his new book, available at fine booksellers everywhere.
I did not claim you used the word “pure.”
To defend the indefensible is...indefensible.
. . . it's really hard to get Germans to speak German, they all want to practice their English.
Funny thing, though. My German teacher through jr. high and high school was an Austrian lady, from up in the mountains above Graz (more or less the same area Schwarzenegger was from). So I speak German with a somewhat rural Upper Austrian accent -- more or less the equivalent of, say, Upper Alabama . . .
I met a guy from Hanover, an area whose residents pride themselves on speaking the purest German in the world . . . so I asked him, "Hey, do I have an Austrian accent?" He looked very sad, and shook his head and said, "You most certainly do!"
The fun thing is that everybody thinks I'm a native, because nobody would learn to speak German that way on purpose, would they?
An excellent assessment of the Acolytes of Cromwell.
The whole point of the book was that Pius XII remained silent out of cowardice, or, as Cornwell suggested, latent Nazi sympathies and anti-Semitism. That's why he put that horrible faked photo on the cover of the book -- to suggest that Pius XII was really in the Nazi camp.
Nobody has ever contested that (once the war began) the Pope was very circumspect in his condemnation of the Nazis. Pre-war he was more explicit (as in Mit Brennender Sorge) but when the roundups and deportations began he didn't say a whole lot. Cornwell attributed evil motives -- others attributed it to prudence.
Cornwell's admission that he now cannot say why Pius XII didn't speak out more forcefully is a retraction of the entire central thesis of his book.
But is it
or
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Er, not Cromwell. Cornwell.
;O)
Although Oliver was braver, and Thomas had more ethics (maybe).
Exactly.
Book: Pius XII was cowardly or evil
Article: no one can say
Me, too!
If you ever wonder why the devil howls unceasingly at Pius XII, read Munificentissimus Deus. Then it all makes sense.
I presume, by the way, that the profits from Cornwell’s bestseller went to Holocaust charities, right?
Well, given his retraction, at least now he doesn’t have to disgorge ill-gotten profits, does he? I mean, he devoted the profits to Holocaust charities, didn’t he?
LOL. I don't know why gravity works, but I don't see you and me floating around in space.
You've spent this entire thread contending that what Cornwell said happened in the book didn't really happen.
Sadly, shamefully, it happened. Pacelli threw his weight behind the Catholic Central Party, knowing full-well this would give the government over to Hitler.
No one should have a difficult time discerning anyone's "intentions" in this explicit political action.
Had Pacelli never read "Mein Kampf?" Hitler made his intentions for the Jews clearly known when he wrote Mein Kampf in 1925, eight years before Pacelli engineered the passage of the Enabling Act of 1933.
You've got to be more precise than that.
Did Bonhoeffer's indictments of Hitler begin in 1925?
Incidentally, your slurs never stop, do they?
...Pacelli engineered the passage of the Enabling Act of 1933.
Repeating it will not make it more true. It's a damnable lie.
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