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Pope says hell and damnation are real and eternal
The Times, London, in The Australian ^ | 3/28/07 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/27/2007 8:06:40 PM PDT by phatus maximus

HELL is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, Pope Benedict XVI has said.

Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, the Pope said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to "admit blame and promise to sin no more", they risked "eternal damnation - the inferno".

Hell "really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more".

The Pope, who as cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that "forgiveness of sins" for those who repented was a cornerstone of Christian belief.

He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the "woman taken in adultery" and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

God had given men and women free will to choose whether "spontaneously to accept salvation...the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind".

Vatican officials said the Pope - who is also the Bishop of Rome - had been speaking in "straightforward" language "like a parish priest".

He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a "state of eternal separation from God", to be understood "symbolically rather than physically".

Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a church historian, said the Pope was "right to remind us that hell is not something to be put on one side" as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief.

It was described by St Matthew as a place of "everlasting fire" (Matthew xxv, 41).

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"The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a hell on earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife," Professor Bagliani said.

In 1999, pope John Paul II said heaven was "neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God, which is the goal of human life".

Hell, by contrast, was "the ultimate consequence of sin itself. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy".

In October, the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a "halfway house" between heaven and hell, was "only a theological hypothesis" and not a "definitive truth of the faith".

1 posted on 03/27/2007 8:06:40 PM PDT by phatus maximus
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To: phatus maximus

While at first blush this article seems rather well, "duh" I'm sure we all can think of the countless people we know who really think that everyone just gets to go to heaven because they're alive. Hell is not spoken of anymore in the sense that it should be...Christ speaks of hell constantly as a warning, but in today's world it's an after thought...anyway, found it to be an interesting article for all the various Christian posters here at FR whether your Catholic, Lutheran or another "breed"...blessings to all in Christ.


2 posted on 03/27/2007 8:10:02 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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Heaven and hell are very real places, no matter what some previous Pope claimed. Choose wisely.


3 posted on 03/27/2007 8:17:31 PM PDT by ChuteTheMall (Tagline: If you're reading this, I'm influencing your mind.)
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To: phatus maximus
Posted here:

Pope says hell and damnation are real and eternal

4 posted on 03/27/2007 8:21:56 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: phatus maximus
"Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy".

Interesting....

In Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man with no name, He seems to be describing a real enough place.

5 posted on 03/27/2007 8:23:52 PM PDT by labette (To hit the ball and touch 'em all. A moment in the sun.)
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To: Salvation

I'm never fast enough... ;-)

I rarely post and so far I've doubled up everytime...sigh...someday I'll be the first!!

Blessings to you and yours.


6 posted on 03/27/2007 8:25:23 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: labette

In Jesus' parable, the place described is Hades, not hell. Hell is real enough, but does it have to be a "place" when at the end of time, the world we know will have passed away?


7 posted on 03/27/2007 9:16:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: labette

Yes, hell was a very real place, according to Jesus.

He should know.


8 posted on 03/27/2007 9:17:02 PM PDT by exit82 (2008 Dem Campaign Slogan: "Vote Democrat-Hate America First!")
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To: labette
In Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man with no name, He seems to be describing a real enough place.

If your interpretation is correct, why can Lazarus, Abraham and the Rich Man see each other and speak with each other? Are they all in the place of hell together?

9 posted on 03/29/2007 6:32:20 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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