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Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference? |
Question: What's the difference between a Catholic Bible and a Protestant one? Is our Old Testament the same as a Jewish Bible? If not, why?
Answer: The most noticeable differences occur in the number of books included and the order in which they have been arranged. Both the Jewish Bible and the Hebrew canon in a Protestant Bible (aka Old Testament) contain 39 books, whereas a Catholic Bible contains 46 books in the Old Testament. In addition, the Greek Orthodox, or Eastern Orthodox, Church accepts a few more books as canonized scripture.
To give you a quick overview of a complicated subject, here's what happened: Several hundred years before the birth of Christ, Babylonian conquerors forced the Jews to leave Jerusalem. Away from their Temple and, often, from their priests, the exiled people forgot how to read, write, and speak Hebrew. After a while, Jewish scholars wanted to make the Bible accessible again, so they translated Hebrew scriptures into the Greek language commonly spoken. Books of wisdom and histories about the period were added, too, eventually becoming so well known that Jesus and the earliest Christian writers were familiar with them. Like the original Hebrew scriptures, the Greek texts, which were known as the Septuagint, were not in a codex or book form as we're accustomed to now but were handwritten on leather or parchment scrolls and rolled up for ease in storage.
Eventually, the Jewish exiles were allowed to return to Jerusalem where they renovated the Temple. Then, in A.D. 70, warring peoples almost completely destroyed the sacred structure, which has never been rebuilt. Without this central place of worship, the Jews began looking to the Bible as their focal point of faith, but to assure the purity of that faith, only Hebrew scriptures were allowed into the Jewish canon. By then, however, the earliest Christians spoke and read Greek, so they continued to use the Septuagint or Greek version of the Bible for many centuries. After the Reformation though, some Christians decided to accept translations into Latin then English only from the Hebrew texts that the Jewish Bible contained, so the seven additional books in the Greek translation became known as the Apocrypha, meaning "hidden." Since the books themselves were no secret, the word seemed ironic or, perhaps, prophetic because, in 1947, an Arab boy searching for a lost goat found, instead, the Dead Sea scrolls, hidden in a hillside cave.
Interestingly, the leather scrolls had been carefully wrapped in linen cloth, coated in pitch, and placed in airtight pottery jars about ten inches across and two feet high where, well-preserved, they remained for many centuries. Later, other caves in the same area yielded similar finds with hundreds of manuscripts no longer hidden. Indeed, the oldest copies of the Bible now known to exist are the Dead Sea scrolls of the Septuagint.
Because of this authentic find from antiquity, many publishers in the twentieth century added back the books of Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, First and Second Maccabees, as well as additions to Esther and Daniel. So now, when an edition of the Bible says "with Apocrypha" on the cover, the extra books from the Septuagint will usually be placed between the Old and New Testaments or at the end of the Bible. Catholic Bibles already contained those books, however, so you'll find them interwoven with other Old Testament books of history and wisdom writings.
For the New Testament, it's a different story and short. All of the books were written in Greek or Aramaic from the start. Although some debate occurred about which Gospels or Epistles should be included, all Christians eventually accepted all of the same 27 books in the same order. So, as long as you choose an edition that does not add explanatory notes opposed to a Catholic perspective, any reputable translation of the New Testament is fine.
Certainly I believe that Scripture tends way far over to the side of to be taken literally whenever remotely realistic. I think it's often BOTH literal and symbolic. But whenever there has been any probability of literal at all in historic prophecies, they have come true to the minutest literal sense.
Thanks for your kind thoughtfulness.
We recommend staying away from translations with unconventional renderings, such as the TEV, and suggest using the Revised Standard Version- Catholic Edition. This is a Church-approved version of the RSV that has a few, minor changes in the New Testament. It has been reissued by Ignatius Press under the title The Ignatius Bible (available from Catholic Answers in both hardcover and paperback formats).
Just making a point for clarity here. While some Catholics may use the NIV, it is not a Church approved edition. This doesn't mean we shouldn't use it, but it is best, ideally speaking, to at least be aware of the errors posted upthread.
Speaking for myself, as I came to know about the errors of the NIV, I steered away from it, even before becoming a Catholic. It actually would've been a reason to avoid Catholicism, for me, if I had found out the NIV (without the errors corrected) was also a Church approved translation.
That's a lot more than any other church I have seen. Kicking anyone out is not an option, but teaching forecfully the truth, even insisting on it, is.
In Serbia, half a century of communist rule corrupted even the pious, even a 1,000-year-old Christian culture. Many of the so-called "Orthodox" don't know many things, and the clergy are charged with not letting something that became corrupt continue.
Refusing communion without confession is certainly one of them. That is as close as kicking someone out of the church or liturgy as it gets. But most Orthodox churches do not insist on women being covered even during communion.
So, while your church may be a welcome exception, one cannot say the same for the rest, and I have seen many-an-Orthodox-church in my lifetime.
Thank you. I will look him up.
In the case of +Paul's commandment, we can. All Christian denominations will admit that Christ was speaking through him, so no individual interpretation is necessary. +Paul was not speaking in parables.
Wre were talking about God actually wiritng Scriptures. What you gave me were examples of God dictating what was to be written verbatim. That's not what "inspired" (breathed-in) means, and we agree that all Scripture is inspired. The inspiration reveals the truth to the author, who then writes it. There is a big difference between that and God commanding the scribe to write something verbatim.
I realize it has taken me the last half of my life to be able to more or less easily say "You were right. I was wrong."
I am not sure if this is supposed to be a "dig." If the correction reflects the issue, I have said on more than one occasion "I stand corrected."
The Christian thing to do is to say what you truly believe. Worrying about others, whether they can admit to being wrong, or even concering yourself with their wrong is not.
Having followed the growing art and science of the AUTHENTIC sorts of Bible Codes for some years now . . .
I'm inclined to agree with the Jewish contention that
GOD DICTATED LETTER BY LETTER the books of Moses.
I'm not even sure any more what this has to do with anything of substance, actually.
Glad you also can stand corrected.
The 3 ROCOR parishes (and one monastary) I've been too are pretty strict about both (confession and covering).
they're all reasonably close to Jordanville though...
in Russia pants and uncovered prayer are common i'll cede (though i'd say the older parishioners seem to follow the rules). we went to a convent where they had both skirts and shawls for women though...
i'd like to see with all the reunifying a drive to get back on track with these things...
Well, that was what, Chrysostom said, whom you cited.
2. Reflect then how great an evil it is for us, who ought to live so purely as not even to need written words, but to yield up our hearts, as books, to the Spirit; now that we have lost that honor, and are come to have need of these, to fail again in duly employing even this second remedy. For if it be a blame to stand in need of written words, and not to have brought down on ourselves the grace of the Spirit; consider how heavy the charge of not choosing to profit even after this assistance, but rather treating what is written with neglect, as if it were cast forth without purpose, and at random, and so bringing down upon ourselves our punishment with increase.6 But that no such effect may ensue, let us give strict heed unto the things that are written; and let us learn how the Old Law was given on the one hand, how on the other the New Covenant.
let us give strict heed unto the things that are written And those would be...? This whole thread is about man-made decisions what are and aren't supposed to be Scriptures.
Once again, turn to your Church Father and see that he lists the Old Law and the New Covenant.
Now where in that discourse by Chrysostom, do you see anything that refers to the Scriptures as being 'man-made'.
. By whom Matthew also, being filled with the Spirit,
You said, "My Bible is different." So how long did it take you to find a translation that agrees with your point?
Which translation is literal? There is a vast difference between your version (modern) and mine (1611).
And the central part of Mass is the worship of Jesus Christ, not what a preacher thinks a particular passage means.
why not go back to the greek originals 33ad-200ish ad?
What good is a reading of scripture without a knowledge of what the scripture means? And what benefit is there in "worshipping" without a knowledge of who and why you are worshipping? That is the reason for the preaching and teaching offices in the churches. 1 Cor. 14:15, "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." Understanding comes from teaching, not superstitous repeating of words or actions one does not understand.
And Mohammad claimed Allah dictated the Koran to Him word-by-word.
That's not "inspired."
Monasteries are orthodox in praxis as well as in beliefs. No argument there.
He said "but rather treating what is written with neglect, as if it were cast forth without purpose, and at random." I never said there was no purpose to scriptures or that they were generated "at random." But it wasn't his to pronounce judgment either.
Yes, I didn't mean to sound like I thought that any of you (as you said) over-exaggerated all the way to that side. That would be my understanding of full blown Pelagianism, and I don't think I've met anyone on FR warranting that description.
Perhaps things are different at your church - one of the, what, million protestant sects?
However, the snake handling pentacostal calvinist wannabeatelevangelist "churches" here typically only use snippets.
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