Posted on 02/15/2007 11:18:10 PM PST by Gamecock
It took me a while to figure this out but some people view communication as an infringement on their autonomy. They also tend to find the concept of cooperation to be an intolerable restriction of their control. I said to someone, "I don't care that much about [this or that detail] but I DO want us all to be on the same page." He angrily retorted, "You want to control EVerything!" I was nonplussed.
My dad, who was CEO of a largeish corporation was also senior Warden at his church for one term. His take was that for some people an administrative role at their church was the only chance they would ever have to run something and they were by heaven going to run it -- into the ground if necessary, just as long as they were running it.
Are you kidding? One of the RC Church's most charming characteristics to me is the genial contempt we all share for the folks who run stuff. This isn't about doctrine, this is about people being bozos, especially when they are outside their field of competence.
Haven't you noticed that everybody knows how to do your job better than you do? -- and they'd be only too happy to tell you, if only you had the good sense to listen to them?
So they make the decisions, and (again, outside of doctrine) we gripe and complain and mock. Full employment!
If you've been a deacon, you already know this: Everybody knows what Sunday School SHOULD do, but nobody knows enough to volunteer to teach. EVERYbody is a contractor AND a Liturgical Interior Decorator when it's time to buy a carpet or fix the roof. After all, the RIGHT way for a church to look is mostly the way the one I went to when I was a kid looked. Everybody knows that!
Complaining about why other people aren't as smart and as good and perceptive and tasteful as I am is one of life's greatest joys and most popular occupations. Why should we Catholics deprive ourselves of this amusement?
First, of all this was all over the news....and Freerepublic last September when they were arrested so it's pretty old news.
Second, why do you post so many articles about Catholics, some of very dubious quality, it seems to me that you seem to post more than any two Catholics combined.
I think you will find I post articles without regard to confession, yes, even my own.
Spoken like a true Catholic.
no comprehension that "vow" of celibacy is not a promise not to have sex,
I'll have to find this loophole at New Advent. I bet a lot of priests will be happy to hear.
LOL....but true. Our pastor wanted to errect a statue in the church of whomever was the patron saint of unsigned notes, since that was the only kind he got. And they weren't compliments on the assorment of doughnuts after Mass.
Sounds Clintonian to me.
That statement is COMPLETELY inaccurate!
Diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty -- only chastity and obedience.
Being one of the people who "runs stuff", by which I mean "posts these kinds of news stories on Free Republic", I find that the "contempt you all share" has been anything but genial, and IMO it is anything but a "charming characteristic", unless you're also into bloodsports.
In my experience, Catholics by-and-large don't have a problem with having immoral priests. What they have are immeasurable problems with outsiders who tell them that they have immoral priests.
I.E. there aren't enough french crullers. IMO there can never be enough french crullers.
.We had our 50th reunion and there were many many people there. After the services, we had several hours of socializing, etc. Then the book keeper asked one of us where we had put the collection, and nobody really had done anything with it. We went back out in the main part of the church and there it was, sitting out in the open, with all kinds of kids and adults milling around, completely ignoring it. If God can't protect what is His in his own house then who can?
actually, there aren't enough fritters.
Let me get this right, dude...you're blowin' my mind.
You're saying that catholics don't like hierarchies nor those who run them.
Have I got that straight?
If so, then get with gamecock's PCAs. I think they're fairly decentralized. If not, then get with B-D's baptists. They are so decentralized that you can take your marbles and leave anytime you feel like it. My grandpa's SBC church would be SBC one year, and Independent the next depending on the convention in question.
the folks who run stuff? Oh do you mean "the little people"?
Krispy Kremes.
I am sure those where manna to the children of Israel.
We were at Stansted Airport (north of London) last November awaiting our flight back home after our annual England trip to eat Chinese food on Thanksgiving Day.
Anyway, we had 19 Pounds in coins (about $40) and banks won't allow you to exchange coins back into Dollars or Euros so we needed to spend it before boarding our flight back to Germany.
As I wandered around looking for a way to spend that change, I saw a Krispy Kreme stand. A dozen cost $24.00, and they weren't even hot! The entire family enjoyed them.
**If so, then get with gamecock's PCAs. I think they're fairly decentralized.**
You got that right Chappy.
If a local body doesn't like what the home office is doing, we don't send them money. Plus the local body owns the church.
Prevents the mischief seen in the PC(USA).
Surely there will be Krispy Kremes in heaven, and they'll always be hot.
My wife was on her way back from Slovakia a couple of summers ago (missions trip). In the Paris airport she bought a half dozen chocolate croissants for our (then 15-year-old) son. We met their bus at the church around midnight. She carried them all the way across the Atlantic. He ate them before we got back home.
The light will always be on!
Preach it brother.
In my experience, Catholics by-and-large don't have a problem with having immoral priests.
I know this is not your experience here on FR. If it is your experience outside this forum, then you do have very limited contact with Catholics. I strongly recommend that you become a frequent reader of such publications as, This Rock, Crisis, National Catholic Register and Catholic World Report. I think that you would take great comfort in knowing how stongly Catholics feel about the need for all of us to live moral lives, most especially those whose failures cause so much suffering, like our priests. Then I would ask you to join us in praying for all those who serve the Lord in a leadership position, especially pastors and priests. You know that Satan constantly attacking them.
see #33. Shoulda pinged ya
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