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To: Liberal Bob; Alex Murphy; DouglasKC
So my questions would be these:

Are Arminians part of the elect or not?

Do people have to believe that they are part of the elect to be part of the elect?

How does one know that he is part of the elect?

Didn't the Pharisees and Sadducees and their followers believe that they were part of the elect of God?

Did that belief that they were part of the elect help them or hurt them when it came to receiving the words of God that could save them from their sins?

Where are they now as a result of that belief that they were the elect of God and predestined to salvation?

7 posted on 11/18/2006 4:37:34 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Are Arminians part of the elect or not?

Those that are save or will be saved before they die are. Salvation is the same no matter what you call yourself or how believe you came to Christ.

Do people have to believe that they are part of the elect to be part of the elect?

NO!

How does one know that he is part of the elect?

You come to Christ.

Didn't the Pharisees and Sadducees and their followers believe that they were part of the elect of God?

The elect were given to Christ before the earth was formed, it does not matter what man thinks of himself. And again some of them were part of the elect and some not, I give you Saul called Paul.

Didn't the Pharisees and Sadducees and their followers believe that they were part of the elect of God?

The Jews of today do, the Muslims do.

Did that belief that they were part of the elect help them or hurt them when it came to receiving the words of God that could save them from their sins?

Why did Christ speak in parables? MARK 4:10 When He was in private, those who were around Him, along with the Twelve, asked Him about the parables. 11 He answered them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been granted to you, but to those outside, everything comes in parables 12 so that they may look and look, yet not perceive; they may listen and listen, yet not understand; otherwise, they might turn back--and be forgiven. "

Where are they now as a result of that belief that they were the elect of God and predestined to salvation?

I refer you back to your fist question, belief in predestination has nothing to do with salvation.

So I have a question for you. Are you one of the elect?

9 posted on 11/18/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by Liberal Bob
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To: Uncle Chip

Are Arminians part of the elect or not? YES. ANY CHRISTIAN IS.

Do people have to believe that they are part of the elect to be part of the elect? NO. YOU CAN BE IN ERROR ON SOMETHING AND STILL BE SAVED.

How does one know that he is part of the elect? HAVE YOU REPENTED AND BELIEVED UPON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST? IF YES, YOU ARE ELECT. IF NOT, YOU ARE NOT. NO NON-SAVED PERSON CAN BE ELECT, AND ALL ELECT ARE SAVED. THEREFORE, IF YOU ARE SAVED, YOU ARE ELECT.

Didn't the Pharisees and Sadducees and their followers believe that they were part of the elect of God? YES. THEY DID NOT BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THEY WERE NOT SAVED.

Did that belief that they were part of the elect help them or hurt them when it came to receiving the words of God that could save them from their sins? THE BELIEF HURT THEM BECAUSE THEY MISUNDERSTOOD ITS MEANING.

Where are they now as a result of that belief that they were the elect of God and predestined to salvation? HELL.

A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF ELECTION WILL RESULT IN **HUMILITY**. THEY EXHIBITED PRIDE. BUT ULTIMATELY, SINCE THEY REJECTED CHRIST, THEY HAD AN INCORRECT VIEW OF ELECTION ANYWAY.

You can only come to a correct understanding of what it means to you, and be humble in response, when God draws you out of the pit of death.


53 posted on 11/20/2006 12:51:30 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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