[P-Marlowe]

Refusing to answer the question only makes be believe your are ashamed to be one of Christ elect.

Whoa, there cowboy. That is a pretty nasty accusation coming from someone who considers himself "elect", wouldn't you say?

I could say that by refusing to answer my question, it makes it appear that you are ashamed to say you believe in Christ.

But I would not be so presumptuous.

The fact is that the elect are those who are numbered in the "whosoever" in John 3:15.

Those who believe in Christ are the elect. I believe in Christ, therefore I am elect.

I can rest on Christ's promise that whosoever is included in the whosoever in John 3:15 is elect.

Do you believe that? Is that what you are basing your belief that you are elect upon? Belief in Christ?

Or something else? Something additional?

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

[Liberal Bob]

I have answered your question and I believe I have stated my beliefs. And I am pleased that you understand that you are one of the elect. Now that we have that out of the way with at least one of you, we can dispense with term and move on. So without the word 'elect', we still have 'chosen' and 'predestination'. So lets take the word chosen, where do you stand on it's meaning and would you say that you fall within it's meaning? I am referring to it as used in Mark 13:20, it is interchanged in the deferent translations with elect as in Romans 11:5.

To make it clear to you and save you a post I believe the elect or the "whosoever" are chosen. And being one of the whosoevers I am chosen. I believe that you, having received salvation, are one of the chosen or elect. To be elected is to be chosen and to be chosen is to be elected as whosoevers.

Now if I can get you to agree on this we can move on to the big sticky one 'predestination', here we will butt up against 'FREEWILL.'