[Mark was here]

Nobody is taking into account that Washington and others committed multiple genocide in the north. Entire tribes were annihilated, men, women and children.

And of course the Indians never harmed a soul. Give me a freaking break. They joined forces with the French to attack English settlements and ended up getting their ass kicked. Sure there was tragedy on every side, but to claim the Indians as some innocent victim is just rubbish.

[PaxMacian]

I was not standing in judgement. I was merely pointing out that all or most of the evidence for Smith's claims may have been destroyed.

[starfish923]

PaxMacian said: Nobody is taking into account that Washington and others committed multiple genocide in the north. Entire tribes were annihilated, men, women and children.
And of course the Indians never harmed a soul. Give me a freaking break. They joined forces with the French to attack English settlements and ended up getting their ass kicked. Sure there was tragedy on every side, but to claim the Indians as some innocent victim is just rubbish.
PacMacian answered: I was not standing in judgement. I was merely pointing out that all or most of the evidence for Smith's claims may have been destroyed.

You beat me to the punch, Mark.
American Indians massacred whole tribes, keeping a few women and children for slaves, sometimes.
The Iroquois were notorious for their cruelty to other tribes.

PaxMacian sounded VERY judgmental to me. I don't see any correlation to "Smith's claims" in his reply, just a diatribe (pun intended) against "Washington and others."

The American Indians MOSTLY got whupped by disease brought in from outside. And no, small pox is NOT a "white man's" disease; it's a disease from OUTSIDE the Americas. Imagine if the explorers had been Chinese or African. Small pox STILL would've annihilated the Indians...plus even more from those respective countries.

In any case, the American Indians were Stone Age and were conquered by the Iron Age invadess/explorers.
If the moccasin were on the other foot, the Indians would've done the same thing....only with scalping perhaps.