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In Vietnam, Christianity gains quietly, Roman Catholicism takes hold, among the young
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 02.22.06 | Simon Montlake

Posted on 02/23/2006 9:48:07 PM PST by Coleus

(Photograph)BLESSINGS: In a sign of growing religious tolerance, Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe (front row, second from left) made the unprecedented trip to an ordination in communist Hanoi.

Roman Catholicism takes hold, especially among the young and urban.

Last Christmas, the Rev. Peter Phuc fulfilled a lifelong dream: He went to Rome. With nine other priests he spent three weeks visiting churches and museums, though he didn't make an official visit to the Vatican, with which Vietnam has no diplomatic relations.   His eyes sparkle with the memory of his first foreign trip, which speaks to the lighter touch exerted by Vietnam's communist rulers on his faith. In 1980, when he was ordained at a closed-door ceremony, Roman Catholic priests ran the risk of being labeled subversives and sent to labor camps. None were permitted to travel overseas to study.

Today, his 19th-century cathedral is packed with worshippers on Sundays, and Catholic seminaries are expanding. New churches are mushrooming in this corner of northern Vietnam where Catholicism has sunk deep roots. Fr. Phuc is amazed at the rapid growth. "In the past 10 years, almost every year a new church is built. I can't keep track," he says.  Religion is still a sensitive subject in Vietnam. The US accuses it of violating the rights of believers, particularly ethnic minority Christians in rural highlands. Vietnamese officials say they respect religious freedoms and point to recent legislation that bans forced conversions and gives equal protection to all faiths.

"Vietnamese citizens have the freedom to choose their religion. All religions are equal under the law," says Nguyen Thi Bach Thuyet, a member of the Government Committee for Religious Affairs.  Of the six official religions recognized by Vietnam, Catholicism ranks second behind Buddhism. It has between 5 million and 7 million followers, concentrated mostly in the south, and is reportedly becoming more popular among young urban Vietnamese who are enjoying the fruits of the country's rapid economic growth.  Despite a steady thawing in relations, the government continues to keep close tabs on the Catholic Church. It insists on vetting clergy appointments and priesthood candidates, and as recently as 2001 imprisoned a Catholic priest, since released, after he sent written testimony to the US Congress on religious freedom in Vietnam.

Leaders of other faiths remain behind bars, says the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, a bipartisan agency, which designates Vietnam a "country of particular concern." They include the elderly leaders of an outlawed Buddhist sect imprisoned in 2003 and accused of possessing "state secrets," a capital offense.  By contrast, Catholics are enjoying greater freedom in Vietnam. Some say the country's economic liberalization is helping by opening the country to a free flow of ideas and information that is part and parcel of a modernized society. "Integration into the world means opportunities for dialogue with each other, it brings us together," says the Rev. Joseph Dang, secretary of the Vietnam Bishops' Council at Hanoi's cathedral.

Vietnam has yet to establish diplomatic relations with the Holy See, though both sides have exchanged visits and say dialogue is improving. Vietnam is among a handful of prominent countries with Catholic populations - such as Russia and China - that have broken ties to the Holy See. In an unprecedented move, a senior Vatican emissary was invited to Vietnam in November. At a packed service at Hanoi's cathedral, Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe led the ordination of 57 new priests and also met with Deputy Prime Minister Vu Khoan. Cardinal Sepe hailed the visit as historic, telling Italy's La Stampa newspaper that in Vietnam "there are many signs which instill confidence" for a Catholic revival.

Church leaders in Vietnam say the visit could eventually pave the way for an appearance by Pope Benedict XVI, something his predecessor tried and failed to do. "Until now, I hadn't dared to dream of this," says Fr. Dang. "But there are still many steps to take before any [papal] visit."  For many here, Catholicism is still associated with the French colonizers whose rule crumbled in 1954, prompting Vietnam's division. At that time, nearly 1 million refugees fled to southern Vietnam, the majority of them Catholics. Phat Diem's cathedral, a curious Sino-Vietnamese-French structure with tiered pagoda roofs, became a rallying point for departing families. Today, about 15 percent of the local population is Catholic, say provincial officials.

Those who remained behind after 1954 clung to their faith, despite the strictures of communist rule. At a church in nearby Gia Xuan, elderly worshippers recall how, for decades, overworked priests bicycled between parishes to give services. Mass was canceled when US warplanes bombed the area, but the church never closed its doors. Then, in 2004, a full-time priest was finally appointed to this parish of some 3,000 worshippers.  Nguin Thi Sau, a stooped retired farmer in a lilac blouse and black scarf, says that before the war the church had two priests and was always packed. She spends most afternoons inside its cool stone walls. "I come here and I read my Bible. Then I go home," she says, fingering her prayer beads.

Phuc says he was surprised to find out on his trip to Rome that church attendance was falling across Europe. He hopes that Vietnam's next generation - the majority of its 83 million people were born after reunification in 1975 - won't follow this trend. "Our youth are at a crossroads between East and West. They need the advice of their elders. If they stumble, who will rescue them?" he asks.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: christians; southeastasia; vietnam
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1 posted on 02/23/2006 9:48:08 PM PST by Coleus
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To: NYer


2 posted on 02/23/2006 9:48:17 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Coleus

good infection..... C.S. Lewis


3 posted on 02/23/2006 9:50:51 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Coleus

Sssssshhhh...

Don't let this news spread to the Phillippines or Malaysia...

Many of them have abandoned Jesus Christ in pursuit of that Mohammed wacko.

The Mohammedans might get vewwy vewwy angwy knowing that Christianity is prospering in Asia.

Sssshhhhhh...


4 posted on 02/23/2006 9:58:15 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume (Mohammed was inspired by Satan; Read 2 Corinthians 11:14 for more information.)
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To: Coleus

Up to 2003 at least, Catholics still had social and political disabilities. Catholic students could go to university because the government made money off it but they could not work for a government entity so the Catholic graduates with law and engineering and math etc degrees set themselves up in business, some as consulting companies, and have become pretty much the small business class in the country. Actually the disabilities will have been a blessing to the country once the current government evanesces or dies off or something. A whole class of ambitious, bright, and savvy has grown up outside of the establishment who know their future does not hold any sort of government subsidies or benefits. In the real world some of the government entities have had to hire freemarket consultants to get things done because they can't hire these people directly. The consulting contracts pay much better than government-set wages because the consultants can say this is the price, pay it or you don't get the services.


5 posted on 02/24/2006 5:21:12 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Chu Gary; angkor; Nam Vet; Byron_the_Aussie; .cnI redruM; Yardstick; cyborg; em2vn; Khurkris; ...

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6 posted on 02/24/2006 5:25:32 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
That's an untold story. Christian missionaries are winning lot of support in developing world countries. It's not just in East Asia. Our media *hates* admitting they aren't winning.
7 posted on 02/24/2006 5:35:50 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Spreading liberal beliefs is as wrong as spreading AIDS.)
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To: Coleus

Help my poor memory. Wasn't there an apparition of The Blessed Virgin Mary in Vietnam many years ago?


8 posted on 02/24/2006 7:42:20 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Our Lady of Lavang. 57 new priests is great news.


9 posted on 02/24/2006 7:48:21 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: Nihil Obstat

Perhaps they can one day have the same impact as the Church had in Poland in bringing down the Communists.


10 posted on 02/24/2006 7:49:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: lastchance

Our Lady of Lavang - La'Vang, Vietnam (1798)

 During much of the 18th century, the nation of Vietnam was embattled in various struggles for power and domination. The northern regions of the kingdom fell under the authority of the lords of the Trinh family, while in the southern realm the Nguyen lords took power. As the eighteenth century drew toward its close, both of their rules were shaken and threatened by peasant uprisings and emerging rebel forces.

 The strongest among the many uprisings was led by the three brothers from Tay Son. In short order, they overthrew the Nguyen lords and defeated the Trinh lords to restore national unity for the first time since the decline of the Le dynasty. A Tay Son brother was enthroned to be King Quang Trung. In 1792 he passed away and left the throne to his son who became King Canh Thinh.

 Meanwhile, Nguyen Anh continued his insurgency in trying to reclaim his throne. Earlier in his run from the Tay Son rebels in 1777, he found refuge on Phu Quoc Island, where Monsignor Pierre Pigneau de Behaine of the Society of Foreign Missions directed a seminary for youths from neighboring countries. The bishop persuaded him to seek help from King Louis XVI of France.

 King Canh Thinh knew that Nguyen Anh received support from the French missionary and worried that the Vietnamese Catholics would also endorse his reign. He began to restrict the practice of Catholicism in the country. On August 17, 1798, King Canh Thinh issued an anti-Catholic edict and an order to destroy all Catholic churches and seminaries. A most grievous persecution of Vietnamese Catholics and missionaries began and lasted until 1886. Even after Nguyen Anh succeeded in reclaiming his throne as King Gia Long (1802-1820), his successors, King Minh Mang (1820-1840), King Thieu Tri (1841-1847) and King Tu Duc (1847-1884), the last Nguyen emperor, continued the vehement campaign against Catholics, ordering punishments that ranged from branding their faces to death by various cruel methods for Vietnamese Catholics and missionary priests.

 It was amidst this great suffering that the Lady of Lavang came to the people of Vietnam. The name Lavang was believed to be originated in the name of the deep forest in the central region of Vietnam (now known as Quang Tri City) where there was an abundance of a kind of trees named La' Vang. It was also said that its name came from the Vietnamese meaning of the word "Crying Out" to denote the cries for help of people being persecuted.

 The first apparition of the Lady of Lavang was noted in 1798, when the persecution of Vietnamese Catholics began. Many Catholics from the nearby town of Quang Tri sought refuge in the deep forest of Lavang. A great number of these people suffered from the bitter cold weather, lurking wild beasts, jungle sickness and starvation. At night, they often gathered in small groups to say the rosary and to pray. Unexpectedly, one night they were visited by an apparition of a beautiful Lady in a long cape, holding a child in her arms, with two angels at her sides. The people recognized the Lady as Our Blessed Mother. 

Our Blessed Mother comforted them and told them to boil the leaves from the surrounding trees to use as medicine. She also told them that from that day on, all those who came to this place to pray, would get their prayers heard and answered. This took place on the grass area near the big ancient banyan tree where the refugees were praying. All those who were present witnessed this miracle. After this first apparition, the Blessed Mother continued to appear to the people in this same place many times throughout the period of nearly one hundred years of religious persecution. Among many groups of Vietnamese Catholics that were burnt alive because of their faith was a group of 30 people who were seized after they came out of their hiding place in the forest of Lavang. At their request, they were taken back to the little chapel of Lavang and were immolated there on its ground.

 From the time the Lady of Lavang first appeared, the people who took refuge there erected a small and desolate chapel in her honor. During the following years, Her name was spread among the people in the region to other places. Despite its isolated location in the high mountains, groups of people continued to find ways to penetrate the deep and dangerous jungle to worship the Lady of Lavang. Gradually, the pilgrims that came with axes, spears, canes, and drums to scare away wild animals were replaced by those holding flying flags, flowers and rosaries. The pilgrimages went on every year despite the continuous persecution campaigns.

 In 1886, after the persecution had officially ended, Bishop Gaspar ordered a church to be built in honor of the Lady of Lavang. Because of its precarious location and limited funding, it took 15 years for the completion of the church of Lavang. It was inaugurated by Bishop Gaspar in a solemn ceremony that participated by over 12,000 people and lasted from August 6th to 8th, 1901. The bishop proclaimed the Lady of Lavang as the Protectorate of the Catholics. In 1928, a larger church was built to accommodate the increasing number of pilgrims. This church was destroyed in the summer of 1972 during the Vietnam war.

 The history of the Lady of Lavang continues to gain greater significance as more claims from people whose prayers were answered were validated. In April of 1961, the Council of Vietnamese Bishops selected the holy church of Lavang as the National Sacred Marian Center . In August of 1962, Pope John XXIII elevated the church of Lavang to The Basilica of Lavang. On June 19, 1988, Pope John Paul II in the canonizing ceremony of the 117 Vietnamese martyrs, publicly and repeatedly recognized the importance and significance of the Lady of Lavang and expressed a desire for the rebuilding of the Lavang Basilica to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the first apparition of the Lady of Lavang in August of 1998.


11 posted on 02/24/2006 7:55:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thanks to you and Nihil Obist (sp). I will pray to the Lady of Lavang that she may continue to pray and plea for the Christians of Vietnam before the throne of Christ.


12 posted on 02/24/2006 8:17:37 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: ThanhPhero
This is good news for the Faith and for the people of Việt Nam.
13 posted on 02/24/2006 8:20:26 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: lastchance

Anytime! I think we all pray for Vietnam in one way or another. Just this last week I had a Mass said for my brother in law who was in communications and died there.


14 posted on 02/24/2006 8:21:41 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: .cnI redruM; ThanhPhero; Salvation; Coleus; lastchance; Nihil Obstat; Doogle; JLO

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On the front page of Little Saigon's October 31, 2005 Nguoi-Viet Vietnamese newspaper http://www.nguoi-viet.com are photos of a statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary that is actually crying tears of sorrow in still Communist enslaved Saigon, Vietnam.

Shortly afterwards another statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary also started crying tears of sorrow at a Vietnamese Catholic Church in Sacramento, California.

Tears of sorrow for Freedom's Return to Vietnam.

On that same day's Nguoi-Viet newspaper's 2nd section is another photo of a broadly smiling "Thumbs-Up" Vietnam Veteran ...following through calling for Freedom's coming return to Vietnam.

Enter "Ronnie Guyer" in Nguoi-Viet's Article Search. http://www.nguoi-viet.com

Praise GOD that...
LOVE is the only realitiy and that...
GOD is LOVE..?




Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War 1965-66

(Pictures of the Vietnam War's 1st year)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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15 posted on 02/24/2006 8:58:48 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ThanhPhero
Wonderful news.

The communist countries in which Christianity was and is persecuted will be the evangelizers and saviors of the newly apostate and pagan west.

16 posted on 02/24/2006 9:01:13 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: Salvation

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CLINTON
RODHAM
KERRY
BOXER
FONDA
HAYDEN
JACKSON
CRONKITE
RATHER

...all supported Communism's hateful victory over South Vietnam's loving Freedom during the Vietnam War.

Bringing us in the end for all to see:


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts


Anti-Freedom activists who would have these same Pictures taken again here in a new time of war ...with our own Freedom now directly at stake at home.

For,

the enemy is now within...
...and always has been.


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17 posted on 02/24/2006 9:24:13 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this.


18 posted on 02/24/2006 9:32:47 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Siobhan

#15


19 posted on 02/24/2006 9:33:40 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; ThanhPhero; Coleus

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GOD does indeed seem to work His Miracles in some very loving ways..?

http://www.fc-oc.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=134&itemid=1882

40 years of fighting for Freedom for Vietnam
-1965
-2005


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20 posted on 02/24/2006 9:54:27 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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