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To: Alouette

"He told La Stampa that there was a Christian tradition that held that Judas was forgiven by Jesus and ordered to purify himself with “spiritual exercises” in the desert."

And how, pray tell, was Judas to perform said exercises. He hung himself.

Another issue, it wasn't just Judas who was a Jew - they all were - Jesus and every apostle. How does this escape the learned men?


3 posted on 01/12/2006 7:50:39 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: timsbella
And how, pray tell, was Judas to perform said exercises. He hung himself.

Respectfully, as a new poster, I'd like to say that there are some mysteries of God we will never know in this life.

Who is man to say suicide is unforgivable? God sees into every mans heart, He sees more than we do. How many that commit suicide are truly in their right minds? Would a suicide delete even every act of an otherwise righteous mans life?

I believe Judas is forgiven, if only because Judas was necessary to Gods plan (so was the King of Egypt. Again, Gods mystery). Judas Was remorseful, his heart was heavy with his betrayal. Most human beings have felt that way at one time or another.

6 posted on 01/12/2006 8:15:25 AM PST by EequalsMC2
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To: timsbella
"Another issue, it wasn't just Judas who was a Jew - they all were - Jesus and every apostle. How does this escape the learned men?"

Excellent point.

Are we to believe that "I warn every one who hears the words of hte prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if any one takes aware from teh words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his shar ein the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19) refers only to the Book of Revelation? Are we free to add and subtract from the words of St. Luke? Oh mercy. I think this is dangerous territory.
9 posted on 01/12/2006 8:19:23 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: timsbella; Alouette
Another issue, it wasn't just Judas who was a Jew - they all were - Jesus and every apostle. How does this escape the learned men?

For some reason there is a tendency among both anti-Semitic chr*stians and liberal Jews to think of Judas Iscariot as the only Jewish apostle when according to chr*stianity they were all Jews.

There are even some who claim that this apostle was given the name "Judas" in order to personify and demonize the Jews. These people apparently don't know that another apostle had the exact same name and is one of the most popular saints: Jude the Obscure, the "patron saint of lost causes." Hey, I was Catholic for six years!

10 posted on 01/12/2006 8:21:06 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lishu`atkha qivviti, HaShem!)
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To: timsbella
He hung himself.

Well maybe. In Acts, it says he "having fallen down headlong, burst in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out". Doesn't say he fell from the rope. Doesn't say how he fell headlong, but nothing about hanging.

91 posted on 01/12/2006 1:32:49 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: timsbella
Another issue, it wasn't just Judas who was a Jew - they all were - Jesus and every apostle. How does this escape the learned men?

Extreme denial.

154 posted on 01/12/2006 7:32:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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