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To: markomalley
(and no, I don't think you were really asking this question, but I also don't think you were expecting that an answer could be provided, either)

And you didn't disappoint - an answer was not provided.  No Scripture was provided to show that Jesus turned over the Keys to Heaven and Salvation to the RC priesthood.  Jesus paid the price for our Salvation on the Cross - He did not then turn around and make my Salvation dependent on your priesthood.

75 posted on 11/29/2005 4:33:17 PM PST by gscc
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To: gscc
No Scripture was provided to show that Jesus turned over the Keys to Heaven and Salvation to the RC priesthood. Jesus paid the price for our Salvation on the Cross - He did not then turn around and make my Salvation dependent on your priesthood.

Please make up your mind: are you talking about indulgences, or salvation?

Indulgences only benefit the saved; they don't gain anyone's salvation.

Indulgences only benefit the saved; they don't gain anyone's salvation.

Indulgences only benefit the saved; they don't gain anyone's salvation.

Indulgences only benefit the saved; they don't gain anyone's salvation.

Do I need to say it more?

76 posted on 11/29/2005 4:47:44 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: gscc
And you didn't disappoint - an answer was not provided. No Scripture was provided to show that Jesus turned over the Keys to Heaven and Salvation to the RC priesthood. Jesus paid the price for our Salvation on the Cross - He did not then turn around and make my Salvation dependent on your priesthood.

And this is the really cool part about your statement: we will all find out some day in the not too distant future.

And here's the dichotomy: protestants are certain that those who follow Christianity as established by the apostles will burn in hell forever (their definition of salvation by grace)

Followers of Christianity as established by the Apostles are confident that the mercy of God will cover their ignorance not gained through their own fault:

15. The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God. They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ's disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth.

- Apostolic Constitution Lumen Gentium, 1964.

Of course, that is salvation by works.

Amazing the difference between the two...

78 posted on 11/29/2005 5:00:15 PM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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