Posted on 10/01/2005 7:08:09 PM PDT by milford421
"I personally do not believe it is ignorance, but rather PRIDE in being avant garde, in pushing the edge of the envelope, in being a 'free thinker."
I believe you are absolutely correct.
I'd like to link a source for the quote livius posted. I'm waiting to see if anyone can find anything.
I've already alerted the Catholic League to the fact that the Diocese of Rockville Center has produced a cable series, "Our Muslim Neighbors" together with the members of the Islamic Center of Long Island, Brush Hollow Road, Westbury.
The members of the mosque are the NY Chapter President of the Islamic Society of North America, (he's also the NY Chapter President of the American Muslim Alliance), the NY Chapter head of CAIR, MSA member, and a teacher who has written some "problematic" essays that deal with arming muslims...
Pax Christi has also been involved in the Diocese with PPEN workshops on Justice and Peace...
Good luck.
It was from the Catholic University of America's website. I posted it last week. Here's the thread, with the text and more information:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1486295/posts
Excellent livius...thank you.
AliVeritas, please include the link livius sent on post number 43.
Thank you.
Shouldn't the fuzzy-minded NYU Catholics at least wait until the muslims have rooted out their terrorists and extremists before practicing this dangerous form of syncretism? Better yet, shouldn't they just drop this crap altogether?
Thanks for the ping, Coleus. The fuzzy-minded NYU Catholics risk undermining the notion of human equality as emphasized in our Declaration of Independence.
"The converse is also true, but unfortunately I don't think that the Catholic churches have done so good a job of making that point."
You may well be right about the converse being true, if my crystal ball is foretelling clearly these days. In Orthodoxy we have a certain complacency about things which will eventually bite us real hard. In most areas, the problems which face the Church in the West don't face us in the East because we simply won't play those games, but in a few areas, Islam for example, for all our experience, I find we are far, far too sanguine about what Islam can do to us and we to it. Figuring that we can just cut their throats in their sleep while stealing their gold and solve the problem like our great grandmothers did is to ignore present reality.
"You may well be right about the converse being true, if my crystal ball is foretelling clearly these days. In Orthodoxy we have a certain complacency about things which will eventually bite us real hard. In most areas, the problems which face the Church in the West don't face us in the East because we simply won't play those games, but in a few areas, Islam for example, for all our experience, I find we are far, far too sanguine about what Islam can do to us and we to it."
Admittedly, I'm reluctant to identify what "the" problem is for someone else's church, but if I were Orthodox today, an issue I would be looking at is demographics. Theological debates are irrelevant if you're simply no longer here.
No, the problem is that they just don't care.
The prayers are here:
http://www.spiritual-learning.com/prayers.html
Who modified these prayers Dominick? Was it you or the host of the Sufi website? Not clear on this.
Also, since you have this, you must also have the printed information that the writer of the orginal post spoke about.
Do you have the information?
| Most Gracious Lord, Master, Messiah and Saviour of humanity, we greet You with all humility. You are the First Cause and the Last Effect, the Divine Light and the Spirit of Guidance, Alpha and Omega. (SNIP) (Through Christ our Lord) Amen |
Thanks Dominick,
I didn't know if you had visited the center and picked this up.
I will not even for a moment pretend to support the blasphemy going on at the NYU Catholic Center. However, I would like to take this opportunity to point out to "milford421" that there are Maronite Catholic Christians whose primary language is Arabic. The Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern. As most of us realize, the Church began in the East. Jesus, His mother and the Apostles were all Jews. Our Lord lived and died and resurrected in the Holy Land. The Church spread from Jerusalem throughout the known world. As the Church spread, it encountered different cultures and adapted, retaining from each culture what was consistent with the Gospel. In the city of Alexandria, the Church became very Egyptian; in Antioch it remained very Jewish; in Rome it took on an Italian appearance and in the Constantinople it took on the trappings of the Roman imperial court. All the churches which developed this way were Eastern, except Rome. Most Catholics in the United States have their roots in Western Europe where the Roman rite predominated. It has been said that the Eastern Catholic Churches are "the best kept secret in the Catholic Church."
The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15). Pope John Paul II said that "the Catholic Church is both Eastern and Western."
I attend a Maronite Catholic Church. The Consecration is in Aramaic, using the words and language of our Lord at the Last Supper. Communion is ONLY distributed by the priest. It is by intinction (the priest dips the consecrated host into the Precious Blood) and is ONLY received on the tongue. The priest administers communion with the words: "The Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is given to you for the remission of sin and eternal salvation".
A Roman Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy at any Eastern Catholic Church. You can learn more about the 22 different liturgies at this link:
The Maronite Catholic Church retains the Jewish roots of christianity more than any other Catholic Church. Each week, the readings are in Arabic and English. The liturgy celebrated in the Maronite Catholic Church is as close as one comes to the Institution of the Eucharist at the Last Supper, using the language and words of our Lord.
Our pastor recently attended a local catholic college's presentation on the Qu'uran. When the Q and A session came, he was the first to raise a hand. He asked the presenter why the Religion of Islam prevented him and other christians from practicing their religion. She 'suggested' that perhaps he had misunderstood her presentation. With that, he stood up, held the Qu'uran aloft and cited the verses, in Arabic, to support his argument. He then translated these verses into English. The presenter turned scarlet red and immediately shifted to another person's question. When Father raised his hand again, she ignored him. He then handed the next question to a fellow parishioner.
Please remember the Eastern Catholics in your prayers. These people have been victimized by the Muslims for centuries.
"I would like to take this opportunity to point out to "milford421" that there are Maronite Catholic Christians whose primary language is Arabic. The Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern."
Why do you presume that I need this "pointed" out?
I do have problems associated with what is going on at the NYU Catholic Center.
I do NOT, however, have a problem, nor am I ignorant of the history and current persecutions of Eastern Catholics.
There is nothing in any of my posts that would suggest otherwise.
Hope this clears things up for you.
"With that, he stood up, held the Qu'uran aloft and cited the verses, in Arabic, to support his argument. He then translated these verses into English. The presenter turned scarlet red and immediately shifted to another person's question. When Father raised his hand again, she ignored him. He then handed the next question to a fellow parishioner."
Too bad there wasn't a Chaldean in the crowd as well.
Actually, that sounds like it could be a rather unique and important ministry for our dear Maronite, Melkite, and Chaldean friends.
A simple question might be asked of those who believe Muhommed and Christ are different names for the same God, is to query what Mohammed ever did to reconcile man to God.
Which is also why conservative Lutherans have fled the ecumenical groups.
He supposedly converted a ruler, who was a secret Christian and was buried in a non Muslim cemetery.
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