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To: JockoManning
It's not my perspective. And, I think your understanding of the traditional meaning of prophet in Hebrew literature and culture is more narrow than was the reality. I think it was a much more robust, rich term than you seem to think it was.

Perspective has nothing to do with it, unless you are going to 'spiritualize' the non-literal fulfillment away. They spoke forth an unconditional and literal judgment from God, by God. It didn't occur. As far as my understanding of the term goes, the prophets (and prophecy) of the new testament are under the same legitimate requirement (although being stoned is not one of them). If you want to blow off the old testament because it is Hebrew in cultural origin, you do so at great risk. Furthermore, the new testament writers were either Hebrews or supervised by them (Luke). Their relation of the term 'prophet' would naturally be within the cultural understanding of the old testament. My review of that term in the new testament show that the definition tends to be the same.

We are warned in the new testament to avoid false prophets. Therefore there has to be a standard of what 'true' is. Taking the instruction of the Bible as a whole, that 'true' is still the factual and actual fulfillment of the prophecy. Again, perception has nothing to do with it, proper biblical evaluation and accountability does. Continued false prophetic utterances given credence harms the body of Christ, not edifies it. And for you information, I am a pentecostal, I believe in the prophetic word and the richness thereof.

36 posted on 01/24/2006 12:31:08 PM PST by Godzilla (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Godzilla

You and I have tons and tons in common.

Though I personally never served in the military (came VERY close to enlisting in the Army), one of my closest relatives worked for the DoD. You understand?

I also know the GREAT I AM to be a Triune God. He has carte blanche in my life to move, Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit.

I dearly love Ephesians Chapter Two. So much so that I memorized most of it.

Now, as for prophecy not happening: Glad you exempt the ones reporting 1/23 was going to be a day of catastrophe from stoning.

I went through yesterday wondering what would happen. Especially because I have family members in DC and Atlanta. I am glad and relieved they are still safe and sound.

I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.

To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.

I don't know.

I still hearken to that still small voice. I still humbly pray and seek His face and turn from my wicked ways and wait for Him to heal my land.

If He chooses to speak through some humans, I will discerningly listen.

I don't want to:

1. Say something is of God that is not.

2. Say something is not of God that is.

I still fear Him. My life's hidden with Christ in God.


Eph. 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Anyway, I still think you and I have more in common than at odds.

Thanks for the feedback.

JM


43 posted on 01/24/2006 1:38:55 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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