Posted on 08/08/2005 4:34:00 AM PDT by Quix
JM
I've been here awhile and had some rather tense discussions with people. But never in my wildest dreams would I think that JR would allow someone to be banned for expressing a belief.
The person who labelled him upatriotic needs to look in a mirror.
I may not like what someone has to say, but by God I will defend to the death their right to say it. Or believe it.
Having had several "discussions" with Quix, I suspect there is much more to it that that.
....it's not the same without him
That, my FRiend, is an understatement.
You and I have tons and tons in common.
Though I personally never served in the military (came VERY close to enlisting in the Army), one of my closest relatives worked for the DoD. You understand?
I also know the GREAT I AM to be a Triune God. He has carte blanche in my life to move, Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit.
I dearly love Ephesians Chapter Two. So much so that I memorized most of it.
Now, as for prophecy not happening: Glad you exempt the ones reporting 1/23 was going to be a day of catastrophe from stoning.
I went through yesterday wondering what would happen. Especially because I have family members in DC and Atlanta. I am glad and relieved they are still safe and sound.
I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.
To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.
I don't know.
I still hearken to that still small voice. I still humbly pray and seek His face and turn from my wicked ways and wait for Him to heal my land.
If He chooses to speak through some humans, I will discerningly listen.
I don't want to:
1. Say something is of God that is not.
2. Say something is not of God that is.
I still fear Him. My life's hidden with Christ in God.
Eph. 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Anyway, I still think you and I have more in common than at odds.
Thanks for the feedback.
JM
Hi Gamecock, thanks for your comments.
If there's more to his having been permanently banned, I am not aware of it; I still hope to see the ban lifted.
Even if Jim Robinson set some limits with him, such as not copying and pasting long docs from other websites, or some such, and then allow him to come back within such parameters, I think Quix would happily comply.
Quix had plenty to say on many topics, and he was a solid presence here.
JM
I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.
To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.
I proceeded with that grace while waiting to see what will happen since I am very close to one of the targeted cities. With the exception of the false Colson posting, I was willing to accept it at face value. The words indicated a very literal event. The use of phrases like "CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN" and It firm and standing boldly and CANNOT BE MOVED! These statements strongly indicate that the actions were not conditional upon our repentance or anything that we could do.
Now, where does this all lead? Because of the non-occurance of this event, the prophets need to reevaluate how and what they hear. Since it appears that they have made a ministry of being prophetic, their credability has been tarnished with both believers and non-believers who have been exposed to this message. I don't know what their past 'record' is, but they share a higher standard of evaluation and judgement by God (new testament - that of a teacher).
The integrity of their messages must be untarnished, else people will ignore them (cry wolf syndrome) and when the true word of the Lord arrives, people will ignore it because of the reputation of false (as in not occuring) prophecies. My rebuke is that of one to review and be certain of what they hear, and that they must realize that what they put forth as prophecies from the Lord must be undeniable and there are consequences for false or inaccurate words.
"Good company"??!! Both Robertson and the mayor apologized for their inappropriate and unsupportable statements. I suspect Quix tried the same tactics. He was a well-known loose cannon.
Hello Godzilla,
Fair enough.
You make some very good points.
As for the Colson quote, I apologize for not vetting it before posting. Though I am having a very busy week, I will try to look into it and get back to this thread with whatever I find out.
And you are correct, the phrases CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN & CANNOT BE MOVED were in the words. And yet, 1/23 came and went without such occurences. Not that I wanted traumatic things to happen yesterday, I most certainly did not. I don't understand it. And I agree it's a real dilemma to publicize such and leave folks, believers and unbelievers alike wondering.
I still know God wants to be included in our lives. He loves us. His statutes are for our own benefit. He requires that we answer to Him, if not now, then later.
Time doesn't permit me to post more right now.
Appreciate the dialogue, I will write more at a later time.
JM
I wonder if the very lopsided, double-standard hostility some of you displayed to Quix had anything to do with his banning?
There was no warning. No chance for Quix to defend himself against the charge of being unpatriotic. He was just banned.
He was a valued member of FR, and he would be welcomed back by a majority of FReepers.
JM
I know that both Robertson and Nagin were both chastised for the statements, I simply meant that he was in well-known company. I don't know Quix and am not familiar with his posts.
I resent that. I'm pretty equal opportunity when it comes to hostility. :-)
My impression of Quix was that he was prone to long-winded, cut-and-paste postings from dubious sources. When you call him on the details of some of these questionable quotes (I recall the "St. Nilus" controversy), he would resort to name-calling to avoid the issues. Same is true when you would ask for Scripture references to support his wild claims.
He was less than honorable in his tactics.
Well we are both thankful for an uneventful 23rd.
No doubt the false prophets in the Old Testament tried that very same line as they were being carted off to be stoned.
So, either they were listening to Satan, or their phone line to the Almighty has a bit of static, or they are careless about the "message" they received. Other possibilities?
Unless you are able to perform a Vulcan mind-meld with the individuals, then this is idle speculation and worthless to discuss here. Let God deal with them on this issue when God is ready. It is His purview.
So what you are saying is that the rest of the church should sit idly by while these "prophets" make a mockery of God's true revelation? I doubt the apostle Paul would be so timid.
"Let two or three prophets speak, and let others judge." (1 Cor. 14:29)
I cannot agree with a hands off policy. If they want to function as a legitimate part of the church, then they need to be subject to the church. If they want to make their "prophecies" public, then they need to deal with the fall out publically.
IMO they need to repent of their errors, and the only way that will happen is for the church to apply righteous pressure.
I really don't think you've read my previous posts, so don't even try to accuse me of this. I've already made it very clear that these individuals need to step back and evaluate their 'hearing from God'. And the church needs to respond. Judge actions - yes, but only God knows the motives and motivation and that is His arena to work. That is my point of disagreement with you. Unless you have some other information, I'm pretty sure that all you know about these individuals is what you have read here or somewhere else on the net.
I doubt the apostle Paul would be so timid.
No Paul was not timid, but Paul also administered grace. Paul primarily addressed judging the actions but on occasion supernaturally enabled to address the individual's motivation. I'm not so gifted and I doubt if you or others here can claim the same gift that Paul had. Therefore to speculate if they heard from demons, flesh, whatever, is not something we have been given to discern or judge with out further insight or background. Do you want your motives judged by the same standard by others who DON'T know your motives or thoughts?
I was speaking objectively -- and it is true -- that either the false "message" came from Satan, or it came from God but was badly misinterpreted by the "prophet", or it came purely from the imagination of the "prophet". How is that analysis judging motives?
We can only judge results. A truly sincere "prophet" (if there is such a thing in this day and age) would quickly understand their error and move to resolve it with the church. The church should be trained to discount their false messages and relegate them to obscurity.
You are attempting to judge that which cannot be known except between the individual and God, barring supernatural gifting. Perhaps motives is not totally an accurate term, but you are trying to judge upon them something that is beyond our ability and with our current knowledge.
We can only judge results. A truly sincere "prophet" (if there is such a thing in this day and age) would quickly understand their error and move to resolve it with the church. The church should be trained to discount their false messages and relegate them to obscurity.
You have no arguement from me there. And upon the basis of results we are commanded to judge. The unknowns are God's realm, and whether it was a sincere misunderstanding of what God told them or satan's whispers, is something we do not have the ability to judge and ought to leave it between God and these prophets.
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