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Pray for Terri Schiavo's Parents Through Priests' for Life
Priests' for Life | May 26, 2005

Posted on 05/26/2005 10:32:23 AM PDT by franky

Fr. Pavone is meeting with Terri's parents this weekend. He wishes for us all to email them at:

terri@priestsforlife.org

Also,those interested in Priests for Life for the laity email:

vocations@priestsfor life.org


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: emotionalhysteria; emotionsrunamok; fatherfrank; fatherpavone; frpavone; letherrest; pavone; prayformoney; priestsforlife; schiavo; schwindlers; swindlers; terri; terrischiavo
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May Terri light the way for people to not lose faith in their continuing effort to battle the spirits of darkness that prevails in the culture of death.
1 posted on 05/26/2005 10:32:23 AM PDT by franky
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To: franky
May Terri light the way for people to not lose faith in their continuing effort to battle the spirits of darkness that prevails in the culture of death.

Didn't the court decide it was Terri's wish to die?

2 posted on 05/26/2005 10:37:22 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer; franky; All

thanks for bumping the thread!

3 posted on 05/26/2005 10:58:50 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: franky; Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
ping



4 posted on 05/26/2005 11:02:41 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: Future Useless Eater
Friends of Terri, please ignore the Terri-thread trasher newgeezer

It was an honest question.

But, if your screen name and profile are any indication, you might be one of those all-Terri-all-the-time gushers who can't be bothered for a reasoned discussion.

5 posted on 05/26/2005 11:05:07 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

It's hard to ignore them. What I think I'm going to start doing is simply hitting the abuse button up front on these people. By their second post they are typically calling other posters names.


6 posted on 05/26/2005 11:07:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
What I think I'm going to start doing is simply hitting the abuse button up front on these people. By their second post they are typically calling other posters names.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by this one.

7 posted on 05/26/2005 11:11:21 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
>>>you might be one of those all-Terri-all-the-time gushers who can't be bothered for a reasoned discussion.

thanks for bumping the thread



8 posted on 05/26/2005 11:15:51 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: Future Useless Eater
So? The point was, I'd expected after only a few days (not two weeks) without food and water, the victim would be dead, free from any agony. (Of course, it turns out it was closer to two weeks. So, I was wrong.)

So, what's the problem?

9 posted on 05/26/2005 11:22:04 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

I regret so much the only time I saw Fr. Frank, and up close at that was as he went in to visit Terri in her last hour. No time to meet him or talk. I am so glad he was there at that moment.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 11:39:51 AM PDT by 8mmMauser ( all-Terri-all-the-time gusher)
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To: newgeezer
Didn't the court decide it was Terri's wish to die?

Didn't the court find O.J. not guilty, abortion a federally guaranteed right, segregation legal, then illegal, .etc.

11 posted on 05/26/2005 11:46:56 AM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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To: franky

Thanks for posting this. Everyone reading this thread should be sure to check out the priests for life website.


12 posted on 05/26/2005 11:54:43 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: newgeezer

After all your posts in the previous Terri threads of March, it's nice to note that you have now finally begun to regard her as a "victim".

That's progress. And...Who was it that 'victimized' her?


13 posted on 05/26/2005 11:54:58 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ColoCdn
After all your posts in the previous Terri threads of March,

Which posts were those? Perhaps you're confused. If you look at my posts, I think you'll find I was, for the most part, on your side (her parents' side or, "her" side, if you insist).

it's nice to note that you have now finally begun to regard her as a "victim".

With that, I wasn't speaking of her specifically but rather, referring to anyone who has died by starvation.

14 posted on 05/26/2005 12:08:45 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: franky

Bump for Terri

Thanks for the post and directing me to a great website - priestsforlife.

May be never forget.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 12:15:59 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: conservonator
Didn't the court find O.J. not guilty,

Yes, in one of the two cases against him.

abortion a federally guaranteed right,

It did. Thus, it is (for now).

segregation legal, then illegal, .etc.

It was and is no longer.

So many people think Terri's case was about the right to life. It wasn't. It wasn't even about the right to die. Terri's case was about who speaks for a person when that person is no longer able to speak for herself.

16 posted on 05/26/2005 12:18:13 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

" Friends of Terri, please ignore the Terri-thread trasher newgeezer ""


No problem doing that, FUE~!! :) :) Thanks for the ping to this thread.

Speaking of trash, you might want to check this out. NBC's show, Law & Order LIED about Tom Delay and his supporters.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410948/posts


17 posted on 05/26/2005 12:21:30 PM PDT by Pepper777 (Theempirejournal.com - my favorite source for truth on the Schiavo Case)
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To: 8mmMauser

" I am so glad he was there at that moment. ""

Me too, 8mmMauser. Father Frank is a wonderful, caring man. I wish there were more people just like him.

I'm glad he was right there to tell the truth about what happened to Terri.


18 posted on 05/26/2005 12:26:51 PM PDT by Pepper777 (Theempirejournal.com - my favorite source for truth on the Schiavo Case)
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To: franky

God bless them all.


19 posted on 05/26/2005 12:27:23 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Terri Schindler was murdered - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Already ignoring the troll. Terri should not have died in vain.


20 posted on 05/26/2005 12:28:53 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Terri Schindler was murdered - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Future Useless Eater
one of those all-Terri-all-the-time gushers

That would be me. I still can't believe they killed her. I'm not gettin' over it any time soon.

21 posted on 05/26/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Terri Schindler was murdered - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I'm not gettin' over it any time soon.

No one says you have to "get over it" (at least, not me). There's a huge difference between "get over it" and "don't let your emotions run away with you."

22 posted on 05/26/2005 12:40:59 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: muawiyah

Question: There's no way to "ignore" someone on FR, is there?


23 posted on 05/26/2005 1:06:48 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: newgeezer
Terri's case was about who speaks for a person when that person is no longer able to speak for herself.

Which ended up costing her her life, hence the focus on right to life issues. It's sad to see so many professed Christians eager to declare "the law has spoken, the case is closed". One would think that Pilot could be reformed and that Jesus really meant to say "when I was sick, you ended my suffering by removing my feeding tube"

Be careful what you render unto Cesar.

24 posted on 05/26/2005 1:20:26 PM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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To: conservonator
Which ended up costing her her life,

... which, according to the court, she willingly surrendered ...

hence the focus on right to life issues.

And the equally-(un)justified focus on right-to-death issues.

sad to see so many professed Christians eager to declare "the law has spoken, the case is closed".

As I have stated numerous times in the past, I hope the fact that I have signed a Health Care Power of Attorney -- giving my wife complete authority to speak on my behalf when I am unable to speak for myself -- means that I don't have to wonder if some busy-body do-gooders (even my parents) will attempt to prolong my life if it's determined I'm in a PVS. The way so many professed Christians seem to go off the deep end in regard to this case, I have to wonder whether they think this is the greatest place we'll ever be and it only gets worse from here.

Back to the thread at hand, it seems more than a little ironic -- even ridiculous -- that someone who (allegedly, if you insist) did not want to live is, in this thread, suggested as one whose case should "light the way for people to not lose faith in their continuing effort to battle the spirits of darkness that prevails in the culture of death."

Yes, there is a culture of death. I just don't see it in this case. It boiled down to "he said, she said" and, when all is said and done, the court decided the spouse (scoundrel that he is) speaks when one cannot speak for herself. That is as it should be. Assuming Terri's enjoying the beginning of eternity in heaven, I don't have to wonder if she'd rather still be in hospice care.

25 posted on 05/26/2005 1:51:04 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

You don't get off the wheel of life that easy. She's back and she's pi$$ed.


26 posted on 05/26/2005 3:38:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Future Useless Eater

lol, at least the trolls have a purpose - they bump the threads for us. :)


27 posted on 05/26/2005 4:33:31 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: All; franky

I am on Father Pavone's e-mail list and stay informed!!

Anybody can go to PriestsforLife.org and sign up.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 4:40:07 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: newgeezer
"Didn't the court decide it was Terri's wish to die?"

Yes. Based on one sided hearsay evidence they sentenced her to die.

What's your point?

That because this was the flavor of the day decision of the court it mades it all well and good?

This is not over by a long shot Bud.

29 posted on 05/26/2005 5:27:18 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: franky
I will be happy to send them a warm letter and they and Terri are always in my thoughts and prayers!

I wish Father Pavone all the best with the Schindlers this weekend! We have not forgotten Terri and never will.

30 posted on 05/26/2005 5:51:00 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: newgeezer

Reread your second post, reply #5 in which you say FUE is probably an "all-Terri-all-the-time gusher."


31 posted on 05/26/2005 5:53:58 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser
"I am so glad he was there at that moment."

Me too, ever so glad. At least God granted Terri and the rest of us that favor!

32 posted on 05/26/2005 5:56:27 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: newgeezer
Jim Hightower must have read some of your posts when he made the following statement:

"There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos"

You are either pro life or pro abortion. There is no debate on the debacle that was the Florida court system.

No use stating that, "Yes, there is a culture of death. I just don't see it in this case." That statement and your characterization of your parents and Christians leaves much to be desired in trying offer defense to an abomination.
33 posted on 05/26/2005 7:04:44 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: TAdams8591; muawiyah; BykrBayb

Thanks TA, I hadn't noticed that. Thats pretty funny.

We already knew court-groupie trolls can't connect dots and
figure out anything for themselves; they just parrot 'the
court', ie: Judge Greer. It appears they can't count as high as 'two'
without judical guidance either.


34 posted on 05/26/2005 7:44:28 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: TAdams8591
Reread your second post, reply #5 in which you say FUE is probably an "all-Terri-all-the-time gusher."

Oh, you mean reply #5 in which I said FUE "might be one of those all-Terri-all-the-time gushers"? Reply #5, which was my reply to FUE after she called me "the Terri-thread trasher"?

35 posted on 05/26/2005 7:59:22 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: muawiyah
You don't get off the wheel of life that easy. She's back and she's pi$$ed

Who, Terri Schiavo?(!)

36 posted on 05/26/2005 8:03:28 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
See, I toss in a slightly different view of the life cycle and everything just falls to pieces.

I don't know her name at the moment, but sometimes folks remember these sort of things.

37 posted on 05/26/2005 8:07:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Future Useless Eater

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 05/26/2005 8:16:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: franky
Jim Hightower must have read some of your posts when he made the following statement: "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" You are either pro life or pro abortion.

LOL. So, are you implying I'm pro abortion? Anyone who knows me will tell you I'm about as far from the middle of the road as you're likely to find. I am vehemently pro-life. But, unlike some, that does not mean I have allowed my emotions run amok at the expense of reason.

There is no debate on the debacle that was the Florida court system.

I have yet to have anyone make a reasonable or convincing case -- legal or moral -- for how the court could have justifiably severed the sacred marriage contract willingly entered into by Terri and her husband (scoundrel that he is).

If you're going to try to say he breached it through adultery, I'll mention that adulterous husbands are quite often forgiven by their wives and, even if they aren't, in neither case is a marriage contract declared null and void without due process of law. Forgiving wives and their adulterous husbands are not required to replace their "broken" marriage contracts. How can you be so sure Terri would not be a loving, forgiving wife?

No use stating that, "Yes, there is a culture of death. I just don't see it in this case." That statement and your characterization of your parents and Christians leaves much to be desired in trying offer defense to an abomination.

You're certainly free to express your scathing opinion. Feel free to back it up with something more than pure emotion.

39 posted on 05/26/2005 8:31:05 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: muawiyah
See, I toss in a slightly different view of the life cycle and everything just falls to pieces.

I have absolutely no idea what you're typing about. Where did you toss in a "slightly different view of the life cycle"? Perhaps if you'd quoted the pertinent parts of what you replied to, this would make more sense. As it stands, your reply #26 to my post #25 makes no sense at all, and this last one did nothing to help.

I don't know her name at the moment, but sometimes folks remember these sort of things.

What "sort of things"?

40 posted on 05/26/2005 8:36:40 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Future Useless Eater
It appears they can't count as high as 'two' without judical guidance either.

You might be interested in #35.

41 posted on 05/26/2005 8:39:40 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Future Useless Eater
Oh, and now I'm apparently not only a "Terri-thread trasher" but also a "court-groupie troll." Yet, I'm the one who's a name caller.

You people really are something else. It gets richer all the time.

42 posted on 05/26/2005 8:41:55 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
Point duly noted. Touche!
43 posted on 05/26/2005 8:57:25 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: Future Useless Eater

LOL! But newgeezer does have a point. You called him/her a name first.


44 posted on 05/26/2005 8:59:39 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: Earthdweller
Based on one sided hearsay evidence

-- the testimony of the man whom she married --

they sentenced her to die

sending her soul to an eternity in glory with God (that is what she believed, no?).

45 posted on 05/26/2005 8:59:47 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: TAdams8591

Thank you.


46 posted on 05/26/2005 9:00:40 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
Testimony about passing comments the ESTRANGED husband suddenly remembered seven years after her collapse and after receiving a sizable sum in a malpractice suit.

One could go back into the history of almost anyone (including myself) and find they made such comments. Such remarks are hardly the serious basis for a life and death decisions, and are far from the criteria required to meet the standard for clear and convincing evidence.

47 posted on 05/26/2005 9:27:11 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: TAdams8591; QQQQQ; ExPatInFrance; TheSpottedOwl; floriduh voter; evilthatmendo; mercyme; ...

Shirley you can't be series!

That's quite all right TA, I'm still laughing that she said
her 2ND post would be a pleasant one, but she counted wrong. LOL!
Muawiyah was right, it is VERY hard to 'ignore' them.

I'll start... Here is a link that is back 'on subject'...


http://priestsforlife.org/
CALL FOR PRAYERS for the Schindlers!


48 posted on 05/26/2005 9:33:35 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Thanks FUE I was already there but will visit again! : )


49 posted on 05/26/2005 9:35:28 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was not in PVS, Justice was!!!!!)
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To: TAdams8591

>>>the criteria required to meet the standard for clear and convincing evidence.

I wish the laws were changed so that nowhere in this country a probate judge could kill someone based on just one person's opinion of the 'clear and convincing evidence'.

A serial killer gets judged 'beyond any reasonable doubt', and
if one out of the TWELVE feels otherwise, they don't execute.


50 posted on 05/26/2005 9:39:53 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (formerly FL_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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