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To: Cato1
Excellent reflection on what has happened in the Latin Rite over the past 40+ years. The cardinal's observation about a community celebrating itself is particularly accurate. Those of us in The Church are to understand that we work out our theosis within a liturgical community, a Eucharistic community as the Fathers have said. Our Eucharistic celebration is for us, but not about us. The Liturgy is where heaven and earth intersect and we join the communion of saints and the Cherubim and Seraphim, six winged and many eyed, singing the victory hymn to our Triune God and partaking of the Body and Blood of our God to the salvation of our souls.

A human community which celebrates itself celebrates the World, not God. Lex orandi, lex credendi.
6 posted on 04/14/2005 4:05:45 AM PDT by Kolokotronis ("Set a guard over my mouth, O Lord; keep watch over the door of my lips!" (Psalm 141:3))
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To: Kolokotronis; nickcarraway; Tantumergo
I am so disgusted by the Novus Ordo I encounter in Western Australia that I am of the opinion that the Roman Rite/Western Catholic Church, in penance, sorrow, and contrition, should throw out the Novus Ordo and take of up the Divine Liturgy of St. James of Jerusalem in reparation for the last thirty/forty years of devastation and desecration.

The Novus Ordo that I encounter here is a grotesque pseudo-Protestant pastiche that deserves immediate shredding. Now what is done at the EWTN Chapel is just fine for a Daily Mass, but the Holy and Undivided Trinity deserve better from us on Sunday.

I am not interested in a general restoration of the 'Tridentine Mass' with a suppression of the Novus Ordo because of all of the recriminations and politics that are attached thereto. But I would be interested in the Sarum Use of the Roman Rite re-authorised for "the Latin Church" in place of the mess most of us endure...

Of course, my views in this post are personal and reflect the dreadful, horrible, state of the 'Roman Catholic Church in Australia...

71 posted on 04/14/2005 10:50:43 PM PDT by Siobhan (We must give our all for the Civilisation of Life. -- Mary Ann Glendon)
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To: Kolokotronis

God bless you.

You know, a day may come when Greek is the only language we can all speak, again. This modern thing does not only corrupt what is said, it also mutes. We translated the Bible in all tongues, but the Word is less audible each time.

Of course, the Filioque is still what is, but we may end up with no one saying it.


73 posted on 04/15/2005 12:25:30 AM PDT by annalex
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