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alacarte - The scientific community rejects this notion of 'footprints,' where ID'ers do not. JFK_Lib - The 'scientific community' rejects it due to ideology and philosophical choices but not due to scientific method. For example, the evidence continues to mount that the Shroud of Turin is in fact evidence of the Resurrection, and many scientists from all over the world are discovering more and more evidence to support this idea. They cannot prove the resurrection, but only that something supranatural is likely to have occured because of the nearly impossible evidence left, like the second image that has now been found on the back of the Shroud with no intervening change to the middle layers of fibers. But the 'scientific community' continues to reject the Shroud as anything more than a hoax because their minds were made up before even looking at it. That is why the radio carbon datings that were done ona mended section of the Shroud were not double checked at the time. The scientists got the results that they expected and that was enough for them. But the principles and methods of science do not dissallow supranatural events, it is merely limited from proving such. It is the philosophy of materialism that you slander the term 'science' with that is hostile to the supranatural. Alacarte - What you call footprints, scientists simply call gaps in our current understanding. JFK_Lib - YEs, and like the Big Bang theory, if such a footprint is discovered and proven then you will declare it to be completely natural. The Big Bang is a proven miracle in which the entire universe simply popped into existance in a moment, exactly as the Bible describes (God spoke) and completely contrary to atheisms favorit theory of a Steady State Universe. So materialists simply adopted the theory and totally ignore that a miracle has essentially been proven, and now come up with all manner of speculation that they know they cannot repeat in a lab to account for how this took place ina completely normal way. YEah, like universes just burst into existance every day of the week and you can buy a 'Big Bang' lab kit to verify it yourself! LOL! The same thing is happening with the Shroud of Turin. Already some Brittish scientists are accepting it as a fact and are claiming that whatever happened there it was not a miracle but a natural event! LOL! On one level, of course it is true, as anything God wills is entirely natural as He is natures author in the first place. Alacarte - For now it is fantasy, yes. It is possible unicorns and goblins exist too. JFK_Lib - No, it is not possible as they are known to be fictitious in their conception as elements of childrens fairy tales, hahah. You confuse not only 'science' and 'materialism' but also apparently 'fantasy' and 'fiction'. I cannot remedy this for you over the internet, but perhaps you should read up on these topics. Alacarte - Let me get this straight, leprechauns don't exist because most people agree they don't. But god does exist because most people agree he does? Then you wonder why you are shunned by scientists? JFK_Lib - People agree that leprachauns do not exist as they were openly concieved as fantastic ideas, not related tot he real world - total fantasy like Tolkiens Noldor. But God was NEVER in this category, but instead has been feared and dreaded precisely because He was believed to be not only totally real but the Inventor of all that is real. Another dichotomy that seems to challenge your conceptual abilities. Alacarte - It is unfortunate he gets treated that way. But given that he thinks they all deserve to burn in a lake of fire for eternity, it only seems fair. JFK_Lib - And by what scientific method do you leap to that conclusion? First, I said he does not let his Christian faith be known to the other proffessoriate, so he is not enduring their persecution. Secondly, he believes in Universal Salvation (and I might agree with him on this) so even if it were known that he were Christian, it would warrant no such persecution and bigotry. They would just have to hate himfor no reason at all other than he affirms what they hope is not true. Alacarte - Ok, your next 4 paragraphs are just a rant on how crappy europeans are, so I'm not going to respond to them. JFK_Lib - So, without counting immigrants, which of Europes Western nations has a population growth over 3%? Any at all? Europe is sick, its power is waning and ithas taken on the role of the old Ottoman Empire of 1900, the sick man of Europe is Western Europe and everyone outside of Europe (save places culturally tied to it like Canada and Australia) realize it is dying. That is why the muslims are so emboldened as the statistics show that they will dominate Europe by the end of this century and will be 90% of the poulation there by 2200. What makes that a 'rant' to you is nothing more than the fact that you dont like it, or what? Alacarte - I assume you mean secular humanism, I am proud to tell you those are my boys. JFK_Lib - No, I mean secular supremacism, as that is all it is anymore. The popularity of men like Castro, Stalin and Mao shows any claim to 'humanism' to be a fatuous lie. It is 'Secular Supremacism' because that is the one guiding principle now; 'if it affirms secularity, then it may be right, but if denies sexularity then it is wrong.' That's really all you materialists have left any more.