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8-year-old's first Holy Communion invalidated by Church
Newsday ^ | August 12, 2004 | John Curran

Posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:10 AM PDT by sidewalk

BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating Catholic doctrine. Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition _ celiac sprue disease _ should not exclude her from participating in the sacrament, in which Roman Catholics eat consecrated wheat-based wafers to commemorate the last supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; celiacsprue; eucharist; holycommunion; look4arealchurch; ratzinger
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1 posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:11 AM PDT by sidewalk
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To: sidewalk

I feel for this family but I don't understand why the child doesn't just take a sip of wine. It's like this huge victim thing.


2 posted on 08/12/2004 10:45:01 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Orthodox Catholic ping! What does one do in this case? Is her digestive problem so bad that she couldn't receive a small particle of Holy Communion, since that is still the Precious Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ?


3 posted on 08/12/2004 10:45:02 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: sidewalk

Stupid church dogma rules that have nothing to do with our Savior.


4 posted on 08/12/2004 10:50:00 AM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: AgThorn
Stupid church dogma rules that have nothing to do with our Savior.

Stupid you say? What did Christ Himself use?

5 posted on 08/12/2004 10:51:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

i know several kids with this type of disorder and it is literally fatal for them to consume wheat products. Both boys are permitted to have a sip of wine, though that is not distributed to the communicants at large in our church.


6 posted on 08/12/2004 10:51:49 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Pyro7480
Is her digestive problem so bad that she couldn't receive a small particle of Holy Communion, since that is still the Precious Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ?

rather you should ask "Is the church dogma so ridiculous that they really have to ask such a question? i.e. where in the bible is 'wheat' the only way to receive communion?"

7 posted on 08/12/2004 10:51:59 AM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: AgThorn
John 12:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
8 posted on 08/12/2004 10:52:33 AM PDT by Romulus ("Que la Terreur soit a l'ordre du jour.")
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To: sidewalk

I don't get it. Thru TransSubstantiation, the priest changes the wafer & wine into the actual body & blood of Christ, according to Church teachings.

The actual body and blood of Christ didn't contain wheat then. Why should it now?

Considering the special circumstances here, I'm stunned that they'd rather invalidate the actions of a small child rather than do what God would want them to.

As if God cares about wheatless wafers. Sheesh!


9 posted on 08/12/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by Blzbba (John Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: hobbes1

ping


10 posted on 08/12/2004 10:53:15 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sidewalk

Thankfully Jesus Christ will not shoo her away. If she has accepted Him as her Savior there is nothing this man made church can do to stop that relationship from flourishing.


11 posted on 08/12/2004 10:53:29 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Pyro7480

It's very possible. Peanuts or smelling peanuts can shut down the lungs of a kid. It is startling what kids are allergic too and can't eat.


12 posted on 08/12/2004 10:54:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: xsmommy

Geez, considering that they have for all intents and purposes invalidated the mass with VII, they sure have picked an odd point to make a theological stand.


13 posted on 08/12/2004 10:55:32 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: nmh
If she has accepted Him as her Savior there is nothing this man made church can do to stop that relationship from flourishing.

Man-made you say? If your Protestant or any of the derived churches, your church didn't start until the 15th century. The Catholic church was founded by Christ.

14 posted on 08/12/2004 10:55:39 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

"Is her digestive problem so bad that she couldn't receive a small particle of Holy Communion, "

Yes, according to the article.

This is also not the first time this has occurred, according to the article.


15 posted on 08/12/2004 10:56:34 AM PDT by Blzbba (John Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: AgThorn
Stupid church dogma rules that have nothing to do with our Savior.

Agreed!

Men don't decide if I'm forgiven for my sins or not and Jesus has never absolved me by having me kiss some beads or say some 'hail Marys' either.

Sorry Catholics, my relationship is between me and my Lord, not thru some hiearchy of robed 'holy' men.

16 posted on 08/12/2004 10:57:05 AM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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To: Mercat
I feel for this family but I don't understand why the child doesn't just take a sip of wine. It's like this huge victim thing.

Of course. The Church could also make an exception, since the matter for the Eucharist is Church law.

17 posted on 08/12/2004 11:00:19 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Who is the father of the Sons of Zebedee"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Pyro7480
Stupid you say? What did Christ Himself use?

Ah, a modern day 'pharasee' question ...

so, anyone who can't eat wheat products or consume wine cannot have communion with our Lord?

You sound just like the pharasses trying to trap Jesus to enforce the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law ...

What is the intent of 'communion', i.e. breaking break with our Saviour? To remember Him. For anyone to insist that one can only do that with a wheat product is rediculously missing Christs message. Is this church also insisting that only wine is drunk for communion? I would have to imagine.

18 posted on 08/12/2004 11:01:08 AM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: sidewalk
There is a boy in our parish with celiac disease. If the Precious Blood is not to be distributed at a Mass, he simply approaches the altar before or after the congregation (depending on whether or not he's serving as an altar boy to receive Our Lord from the chalice.

It's no big deal. The only way it would be a big deal would be if his parents made him feel like a freak instead of a faithful Catholic doing what he has to do.

19 posted on 08/12/2004 11:02:27 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: sidewalk; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

Yet they allow pro-abortion politicans and RC unfaithful to receive and not this little girl with a medical condition? This just blows my mind.


20 posted on 08/12/2004 11:03:00 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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