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To: NYer
Mike, the Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern; it recognizes 22 'rights of citizenship'. In the Western Church alone, it recognizes the following 'rights of citizenship' (perhaps liturgy is a more descriptive term).

Thanks for the post, but listing the different rites and giving a description of what a rite is, doesn't respond to my question "what does a 'right of citizenship'" entail?

What are the consequences of describing something as having a right of citizenship? I'm not familiar with that term.

Likewise, I recall the reports when His Eminence stated that the rite had not been extinguished, but that term doesn't occur in any canon law of which I am familiar. The terms I've seen talked about regarding a rite are 'abrogated' and 'obrogated'.

I don't intend to be picking nits, but most times, when members of the curia write, they do so with attention to their phrasing. Introducing new terms or descriptions can allow them to avoid specific consequences.

You may take the 22 rites as having 'rights of citizenship', but I don't see His Eminence doing so. Does that place the Gregorian / Tridentine / Pius V rite in the same category as the others?

I'm curious if the term 'right of citizenship' occurred elsewhere before this interview, or has been used by others.

I know what I'd like His Eminence to mean by 'right of citizenship', but ...
11 posted on 06/02/2004 7:21:43 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
I don't intend to be picking nits, but most times, when members of the curia write, they do so with attention to their phrasing.

It's apparent from the wording used throughout this interview that English is NOT the native tongue of Castrillon-Hoyos. Hence, it then becomes necessary to 'interpret' statements. What is meant by 'citizenship'? My interpretation is aligned to the divisions of the 'churches' and their respective rites. As such, the "Mass of the 1962 Missal' qualifies as a 'citizen'. Just my interpretation but it seems to fit.

Of one thing you can be certain, there will be no general rollback of the Novus Ordo Rite. It's here to stay! From there, one moves on in selecting a 'rite' in which the most suitable form of reverence and respect can be shown to our Lord. All 22 rites are recognized.

14 posted on 06/02/2004 7:52:57 PM PDT by NYer (Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! (2Cor 11:14))
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To: Mike Fieschko

Methinks that the translation from Italian to English may have been a bit, ah, 'stretchy.' Either the interviewer or the Cardinal didn't have the precise term, whether in Italian or in English.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 8:10:31 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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