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1 posted on 06/02/2004 5:14:33 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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To: gbcdoj

Care to say what a 'right of citizenship' entails? (I haven't the foggiest notion.)


2 posted on 06/02/2004 5:56:22 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: gbcdoj; Land of the Irish; ultima ratio

"Thank God the group of Campos has come out of a situation which COULD HAVE brought about a state of formal schism."

Assuming these words of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos are reported correctly, then it looks like he does not think that even the Campos situation had yet developed to a formal schism!!!

"So, where there had been a bishop, priests and a group of independent faithful, the same Mons. Rangel and his priests, by an act of humility and repentance, responding to the invitation of the Holy Father, now felt an obligation in conscience to reenter into full communion with the Church, recognizing that the conditions of what they had considered as a so called "state of necessity" no longer existed."

Looks like the answer for the SSPX is to set up full parallel ecclesial structures (including a bishop) in each diocese where they are active until such point that a critical, self-sustaining mass is achieved. Once done, a state of necessity would no longer exist and then Rome would grant an Apostolic Administration.

The precedent of Campos could prove to be a vehicle for restoring Tradition to the whole Church which would circumvent the majority of non-believing bishops that we must currently contend with!

Our Lord only had praise for those who were battering down the gates of the kingdom of heaven to enter it by force - perhaps the times are ripe for desperate measures again.


4 posted on 06/02/2004 6:32:03 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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Thanks for providing the p.c. version of events - and now for some plain speaking on this subject.
Modernists (masquerading as Catholics), in the wake of Vatican 2, succeeded in perverting the Roman Rite. Here's how it happened:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/remnant/bug.htm
Here's a pertinent historical perspective:
http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/destruct.txt
and here's some sage insight on the Campos compromise:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/HOMEPAGES/REMNANT/camp1.htm


5 posted on 06/02/2004 6:33:25 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: gbcdoj; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
I would like to underline that this has been possible "due to an act of humility and of repentance" of the Priestly Association of "St. John Marie Vianney", that recognized that it could not carry on the battle in favor of tradition without an affective and effective link with the Vicar of Christ and the Apostolic See.

Great interview!

That's it, in a nutshell. Dialog, not demands, is the answer.

7 posted on 06/02/2004 6:48:22 PM PDT by NYer (Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! (2Cor 11:14))
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