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Catholic political dilemma is back
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 6, 2004 | Sandi Dolbee

Posted on 05/08/2004 8:37:37 PM PDT by Land of the Irish

Lucy Killea and John Kerry have much in common.

Like Kerry, Killea's a Democratic politician – or used to be.

Like Kerry, Killea's also a Roman Catholic.

And like Kerry, Killea supports abortion rights.

But while the debate continues among Catholic hierarchy over whether Kerry and others like him should be allowed to take Holy Communion, it was a done deal for Killea.

In 1989, the late San Diego Bishop Leo Maher barred her from participating in Communion in local parishes.

She had spoken out for abortion rights in a television campaign ad for a state Senate race, taking a stand that Maher said was "in complete contradiction to the moral teaching of the Catholic Church."

"Consequently," Maher wrote to her in a letter, "I have no other choice but to deny you the right to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church."

Killea didn't like it, but she accepted it. "I was disappointed," she remembers.

While she took Communion elsewhere, she honored the local ban until after she retired from the state Senate in 1996.

The issue is back in the news because a top Vatican official last month suggested that Catholic politicians who support abortion rights are "not fit" to take Communion. A task force of U.S. Catholic bishops is currently studying what should be done about politicians in this country who advocate policies contrary to church teaching.

Both of these efforts have raised pointed questions about Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, because he supports at least two issues that are out of sync with his church – abortion rights and stem cell research.

Killea doesn't agree with what Maher did back then – nor does she think the hierarchy ought to deny other church members now.

"It's a question of the separation of church and state," she says. Killea contends her stands were a matter of private conscience and were not the church's business. She also was elected to represent more than just Catholics, she adds.

She worries that religions that cross this line will chase away potential candidates. "I think it's a deterrent to good people getting into public office."

It's been said that the 81-year-old grandmother has become a bit of an institution in San Diego. She began her political career in 1978 on the San Diego City Council and spent 14 years in the state Assembly and Senate. She remains active still. Most recently, the Episcopal bishop drafted her to serve on a task force looking into accusations of misconduct by the social service agency, Episcopal Community Services.

She has a rather unassuming persona and believes that a person's religion is a private matter. Still today, sitting in the living room of her downtown condo, with its view of Petco Park and the burgeoning urban development, she's uncomfortable dwelling on it or putting herself into the spotlight.

Killea does say that the episode didn't shake her faith. "I knew where I stood," is how she puts it. Looking back, she adds, "I think it's strengthened me in my own spirituality."

It also adjusted at least one other attitude. "I'm less dependent on the ritual part of it for any kind of spiritual satisfaction," she concedes.

Over the years, Killea has switched back and forth between being a Democrat and being an independent. "I enjoy being independent," she says. "I find it puzzles people."

Currently, that's her status, though she supports Kerry's candidacy.

She does not support President Bush's public proclamations of faith. It makes her "uncomfortable."

Christianity isn't the only religion in America, Killea notes, and she thinks it's important to respect the diversity of opinions and beliefs here. "This 'you're with us or against us' attitude ignores others."

A newspaper poll taken during the controversy showed that more than 70 percent of respondents disagreed with Maher's decision. However, he did have his defenders. "Those legislators who hold pro-abortion positions may continue to hold them, but they have no right to hold themselves up as good Catholics at the same time," one reader wrote in a letter to the editor.

Maher retired in 1990 and died the year after that. Before he died, Killea says she met briefly with him. She can't remember specifically if the Communion issue came up. "The conversation was more kind of chatting," she says.

She later met with Bishop Robert Brom, who succeeded Maher. "He said, 'Once you're out of office, the ban didn't apply.' " A spokesman for the local diocese said Brom is awaiting the recommendations of the U.S. task force before making any decisions in this new debate of church allegiance versus the public square.

Killea was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic schools and loves singing in the Masses she attends at Immaculate Conception in Old Town. She never considered leaving her faith. "I didn't want to be in any other church," she says.


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She (Killea) later met with Bishop Robert Brom, who succeeded Maher. "He said, 'Once you're out of office, the ban didn't apply.' " A spokesman for the local diocese said Brom is awaiting the recommendations of the U.S. task force before making any decisions in this new debate of church allegiance versus the public square.

Brom: another apostate bishop.

1 posted on 05/08/2004 8:37:37 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; attagirl; ...
Ping
2 posted on 05/08/2004 8:38:40 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Bunpus ad summum
3 posted on 05/08/2004 9:40:45 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Land of the Irish; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ..
There are good and faithful servants, and then there are those whose skulls will become paving stones for the floor of hell.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 10:57:40 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: Land of the Irish
She never considered leaving her faith.

Psst! You did!

5 posted on 05/09/2004 2:02:35 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Land of the Irish
CINO.

Wants her cake and to eat it too. It doesn't work that way.

And what's with all the "separation of church and state" when it comes to this topic. Here it doesn't apply.
6 posted on 05/09/2004 4:38:53 AM PDT by Desdemona (Evil attacks good. Never forget.)
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To: Land of the Irish
Killea contends her stands were a matter of private conscience and were not the church's business

This statement is so pathetic its laughable.

7 posted on 05/09/2004 4:50:21 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Land of the Irish
"It's a question of the separation of church and state,"

Tell that to the Just Judge at your particular judgement. Ridiculous!

8 posted on 05/09/2004 4:52:26 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Land of the Irish
"He said, 'Once you're out of office, the ban didn't apply.' "

No better theology than Killea's! According to Evangelium Vitae she has separated herself from communion with the Body of Christ through her obstinate sin of commission. Until she repents and reforms, she remains in a state of grave sin and therefore should not receive the Holy Eucharist.

9 posted on 05/09/2004 4:56:44 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Land of the Irish
In another thread, I remarked that Catholicism in California is no longer a living faith. Some indignant person wondered what evidence I would cite to back that up. This thread is just one more piece of evidence.
10 posted on 05/09/2004 5:57:01 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Land of the Irish
Killea was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic schools and loves singing in the Masses she attends at Immaculate Conception in Old Town. She never considered leaving her faith. "I didn't want to be in any other church," she says.

That's a pretty telling paragraph. To her the faith is a piece of real estate. It has nothing to do with her beliefs. And in this, she speaks for a lot of other "Catholics."

11 posted on 05/09/2004 6:45:03 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: ThomasMore
She also was elected to represent more than just Catholics, she adds.

And I'm sure that she also had racists in her district that she was "elected to represent" too. So maybe she shouldn't take any stand on affirmative action? And probably she even had some pro-life constituents who weren't Catholic (Earth to media: there are pro-life voters who aren't Catholic). So what? The issue isn't the Catholicism of her consitutents... it is her own Catholicism. Talk about violating separation of church and state... her position is "I'm exempt from the requirements of my faith because I'm a legislator who represents people with different views." Gee, who is injecting state into church here?

12 posted on 05/09/2004 6:53:55 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Snuffington
I agree! The other point that is so often omitted is that she can continue to attend mass... just not receive communion. Many Catholics do this (including me, for now). There is a certain dignity, I believe, to respecting the faith enough to attend mass, try to live the tenets of the faith, believe in the faith, but also recognize that one cannot receive communion. Of course, why would these politicians go to mass if not for that great communion photo op? I wonder, if the sacraments are so important to them, if they also go to confession? Now there's a photo you'll never see: John Kerry leaves the confessional at.... etc., etc.
13 posted on 05/09/2004 6:58:00 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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I always have to shake my head when I see Catholics wanting to use sacraments as a weapon to beat their political opponents with. Are these bishops really concerned about the politician's soul, or are they trying to influence how the politician votes? And if the second is true, is this something we really want?
14 posted on 05/09/2004 4:52:56 PM PDT by lnbjohnson
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I always have to shake my head when I see Catholics wanting to use sacraments as a weapon to beat their political opponents with.

Read scripture much? Try 1 Corinthians 11:

27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.
28 A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
30 That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.
31 If we discerned ourselves, we would not be under judgment;
32 but since we are judged by (the) Lord, we are being disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.

It is one of the greatest spiritual acts of Mercy a bishop can perform to deny the obstinate manifest grave sinner the Holy Eucharist, because it is the last remedy available to save that politician's eternal soul from perdition.

I always have to shake my head when I see Catholics make such foolish and uncharitable statements as yours, and bishops not caring about the eternal damnation of members of their flock, choosing that which makes themselves "comfortable" over that which might save the soul of a sinner among their flock.

15 posted on 05/09/2004 5:47:17 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: lnbjohnson
"No one may share the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ.'"

--St. Justin Martyr, 165 A.D.

16 posted on 05/09/2004 6:10:43 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV
Fortunately, The New Yawk Times, the Democratic National Commitee, ABC News, and the Supreme Court have no say in determining who is fit to receive sacraments in the Catholic Church. As one might suggest, "If you're not a believing Catholic, it's really none of your business." The sacraments are not weapons. But a person who does not believe in defending innocent life from Malthusian, genocidal slaughter has no business presenting themselves as a Catholic in public.
17 posted on 05/09/2004 7:26:00 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: lnbjohnson
I always have to shake my head when I see Catholics wanting to use sacraments as a weapon to beat their political opponents with.

Sacraments are the weapons against evil in the world. They feed our souls and strengthen us to fight against the temptations of the devil. There is no right to them. And frankly, if these politicians weren't so public about their dissidence and persistant sin, it wouldn't be an issue. It should be a matter of personal conscience, but it seems a lot of politicians don't have one.
18 posted on 05/09/2004 7:36:21 PM PDT by Desdemona (Evil attacks good. Never forget.)
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To: lnbjohnson
I always have to shake my head when I see Catholics wanting to use sacraments as a weapon to beat their political opponents with.

Sacraments are the weapons against evil in the world. They feed our souls and strengthen us to fight against the temptations of the devil. There is no right to them. And frankly, if these politicians weren't so public about their dissidence and persistant sin, it wouldn't be an issue. It should be a matter of personal conscience, but it seems a lot of politicians don't have one.
19 posted on 05/09/2004 7:36:23 PM PDT by Desdemona (Evil attacks good. Never forget.)
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To: Desdemona
Sorry about the double post.
20 posted on 05/09/2004 7:37:13 PM PDT by Desdemona (Evil attacks good. Never forget.)
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