A Passion for Pain

The Autonomist ^ | Feb. 26, 2004 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Which are you? A lover of humanity or a lover of human suffering?

Hank

[sinkspur]

How many times are you going to post this? WHy didn't you just bump your previous posting of this article?

Or, did it get bounced?

[Hank Kerchief]

How many times are you going to post this? WHy didn't you just bump your previous posting of this article?

It has only been posted once, so far. Do a search.

(Maybe it is similar to another post.)

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

PHILOSOPHY PING

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Not exactly philosophy, but there are definitely philosophical questions raised by this article.

Hank

[tpaine]

Which are you? A lover of humanity or a lover of human suffering?
Hank
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How many times are you going to post this? WHy didn't you just bump your previous posting of this article?
Or, did it get bounced?
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In his fervor to shut down heresy, sinky inadvertently answers your second question in the affirmative.

[sinkspur]

See rock?

Crawl under.

[tpaine]

I had to pick it up to read your hidden message.

[Charles Dodgson]

"More blood, more pain, more suffering. Ah, that's the thing, isn't it?"

"But, I do not like to see suffering. I want people to be happy." the girl in white said.

"You must not be a Christian, then."

LC

[AAABEST]

You're so caught up in love of your philosophical self, that you love your sophet. Philo-sophic.

You haven't even learned lesson #1 though. That part of love is sacrificing for others. You want false happiness that doesn't exist, an illusion.

Love is a verb that requires pain.

Loving others is painful, you always have to sacrifice whether you're putting your kids through college, feeding the poor, cleaning up after somoeone, putting up with an idiotic internet poster or dying for others because you love them dearly.

You love yourself and want to be happy, though you're not. You hate Christianity and can't even take the pain of leaving your brothers and sisters alone.

Your philo-sophy is not very attractive.

[mhking]

Which are you? A lover of humanity or a lover of human suffering?

A lover of God.

[Hank Kerchief]

Love is a verb that requires pain.

Wow, that's exactly what the article said you would say.

Thanks for the confirmation that Christians worship pain.

Hank

[tpaine]

I pity you for your hatred of your fellow man, and I pity your family & acquaintances, who must suffer your martyr-ism.

[Hank Kerchief]

A lover of God.

Which God? Allah, Jehovah, Zeus?

Hank

[mhking]

Which God? Allah, Jehovah, Zeus?

Not "A" god, but of God.

Certainly my perception and personal relationship with God is different from yours, though. And I would not presume to push my personal relationship with God off on you.

[conservonator]

The Passion of the Christ's theme is that suffering, not joy, is man's proper fate."

Sigh..., wishing this to be true does not make it so. Demonstrate the veracity of the above statement from the article by citing; Christian Scripture or other Christian dogma universally held. Please provide links to sources.

Thank you

[man of Yosemite]

Jesus said he came that we might have life, and have it more abundantly. To say that Christianity is a religion that promotes suffering is completely wrong. I suffered far more pain when I was in Satan's fold. The passion of Jesus was inflicted by unbelievers, their sole purpose to be rid of this Christ. God, in his gracious and brilliant mercy, allowed this act of theirs to expiate the sin of mankind, the just one tasting death for everyman. The actions of Jesus were obedience to God, but God did not murder his Son; those who delivered him up were guilty of his death, the suffering clearly inflicted by them.

[ahadams2]

one who loves God -- no one in their right mind can possibly love humanity in it's sinful, fallen, and depraved state, which fails to even comprehend the nature of God, His Righteousness, His Justice, and His Mercy. Your article clearly demonstrates this total lack of comprehension by fallen and unredeemed mankind.

Or to put it more directly here is the way St Paul put it in the first chapter of his first letter to the Church at Corinth :

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20Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

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please understand this clearly: it does not matter whether you mock it; it does not matter if you hate it; it does not matter if you choose to ignore it, it does not matter if you reject it - none of that matters, because you see, in the end, the universe functions by God's rules, not yours.

[Ramius]

Christians worship pain?

Wow. I've never in my life seen somebody so completely not get it before.

But I'm wasting my breath, aren't I? I guess it's pretty clear that you just like to stir the pot but not ever really take a taste for yourself.

Enjoy...

[Hank Kerchief]

The Passion of the Christ's theme is that suffering, not joy, is man's proper fate."

Sigh..., wishing this to be true does not make it so. Demonstrate the veracity of the above statement from the article by citing; Christian Scripture or other Christian dogma universally held. Please provide links to sources.

You expect there to be a Scriptural reference that explains the theme of Mel Gibson's film?

The statement is about the theme of the film, not the theme of the Bible. But, if you are asking if that is the theme of the Bible, how about these?

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

2 Cor 12:9 ... Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

While Christians universally use such passages to promote the idea that human suffering is a virtue, I personally do not believe that is the intended meaning of these verses.

Hank

[dsc]

"While Christians universally use such passages to promote the idea that human suffering is a virtue, I personally do not believe that is the intended meaning of these verses."

You keep posting on this subject, but I don't see that you are willing actually to address the central issues.

Many of us see where your logic leads you astray, and would be glad to tell you, but you don't have ears to hear.