[CCWoody]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. What many Catholics would like to get rid of is the distortion of history by the enemies of the Church. There is no major movement, religion, or civilization whose history has been WITHOUT blood. ~ Pyro

We Predestinarians seem to have been on the short end of almost all of it. You would be amazed at the roll call of the blessed martyrs for the number of Predestinarians slaughtered by Rome and her illegitmate Arminian offspring.

Woody.

[Pyro7480]

We Predestinarians seem to have been on the short end of almost all of it.

So not true. Off the top of my head, I can think of the destruction, beatings, burnings, murders, and other atrocities that took place in Calvinist Switzerland. My favorite spiritual writer was threatened with death on a number of occasions as he traveled through that region trying to convert people back to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. But he remained steadfast, preaching and passing out religious tracts, and ended up converting thousands (72,000 approximately) of people back.

[Gamecock]

Case in point:

The Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre.

[dangus]

>> We Predestinarians seem to have been on the short end of almost all of it.

Read what Calvin's followers did to France. You may call it "the short end," because they lost, but their barbarism was unparalelled. Btw, the French who won were also morally repugnant, so don't bother sending me the lists of "Calvinist martyrs" in France. In fact, the church excommunicated much of the army's leadership... a far cry from the way Calvinists have prortrayed their guys as saints.

Oh, and the absolute monarchy that followed was also heretical. I'm afraid the Church tolerated it out of fear of the Calvinists.

[Tantumergo]

"We Predestinarians seem to have been on the short end of almost all of it."

If that were true I guess it must have been pre-destined - just like in the days of Elijah.