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UN agency scolds Canada for allowing spanking
National Post ^ | October 08 2003 | Steven Edwards/CanWest News Service

Posted on 10/08/2003 10:03:16 AM PDT by knighthawk

UNITED NATIONS - The UN has told the Canadian government to ban all forms of corporal punishment of youngsters -- including even a light slap.

The ruling, handed down by a committee of the world body, comes as a poll yesterday showed Canadians are evenly split when it comes to spanking by Mom or Dad, but on the whole against allowing teachers to hit children.

Spanking is also before the Supreme Court of Canada, which is weighing a petition to repeal a federal law that lets parents, teachers or guardians apply "reasonable force" to discipline a minor.

Traditional family rights groups in Canada yesterday expressed dismay at the UN ruling, but children's rights groups are expected to use it to boost their calls for stricter laws.

Ottawa appeared to be for and against the ruling at the same time.

"While the government does not support spanking of children, it is also against the criminalization of parents for lightly disciplining their kids," said Chris Girouard, spokesman for the Department of Justice. "It's whatever is in the child's best interests."

The UN ruling was issued after Ottawa sent a large delegation of experts and government officials to Geneva, where the 18 experts of the world body's Committee on Rights of the Child questioned them on Canada's child care record. In a report, the committee says Canada should "adopt legislation to remove the existing authorization of the use of 'reasonable force' in disciplining children, and explicitly prohibit all forms of violence against children, however light, within the family, in schools and in other institutions where children might be placed."

As a signatory of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, Canada is obliged to make periodic appearances before the committee. The rulings of such treaty committees cannot override national law, but Ottawa tries to accommodate their recommendations to give the UN an argument for encouraging the spread of international norms.

Liberal Senator Landon Pearson led the Canadian delegation as Jean Chrétien's personal representative, but her spokeswoman said yesterday she would not be available for comment because the issue is also before the Supreme Court.

Yesterday, Toronto Public Health released results of a survey of more than 2,000 Canadians showing 51% believe parents should be prevented from using physical force against children. The figure rose to 60% if guidelines were in place to prevent prosecution for "mild spanking" and 69% said teachers should be banned from hitting children. The margin of error of the survey -- a few percentage points either way -- suggests Canadians are evenly split when it comes to spanking without guidelines.

Based on that, conservative groups say Ottawa is deferring too much to the world body.

"This ruling is another example of the UN infringing on our own national concerns," said John-Henry Westen, spokesman for LifeSiteNews.com, an online monitor of family values.

"When a child is young and cannot understand, a tap on the hand is essential for training. We have a wood-burning stove that gets very hot. It's ridiculous that I can't save my child from burning himself by tapping his hand away from it."

In an interview from Geneva yesterday, the committee member responsible for communicating with Canada said such a child would learn quickly enough not to touch a hot stove.

"If he puts his hand on a hot oven, he will be burnt and he will not do it again," said Moushira Khattab of Egypt. Ms. Khattab admitted to having lightly disciplined her own two children, now adults. But she added she now knows better.

"There are other means," she said. "Children are very smart, and even when they are as young as two or three months old, they will understand if you have a tough look, or change the tone of your voice, or turn away from them.

"The body language is the first language that they know. This hurts much more than a spank."

The committee routinely tells every country that appears before it to pass laws banning corporal punishment. Only the United States and Somalia are not members of the convention and so are not subject to the committee's rulings.

The Supreme Court is expected to rule before the end of the year on the constitutionality of the "spanking law" after hearing arguments on June 6 by the Canadian Foundation for Children, Youth and the Law that it violates the right of all Canadians to be treated equally.

"If you hit an adult, it is an assault, but if you hit a child in the context of discipline, it is justified under our current law," said Cheryl Milne, the lawyer who argued the case. "The UN committee ... agrees with that very strongly -- that countries should be prohibiting all forms of corporal punishment of children."

The committee also said Canada should do more to help aboriginal children, who suffer far higher rates of suicide and drug abuse than the average Canadian child, and account for a disproportionately high percentage of children in state care.

On child care for working families, the committee said Canada should provide affordable facilities across the country.

sedwards@nationalpost.com


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; corporalpunishment; discipline; spaking; spanking; un; unitednations; unlist
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1 posted on 10/08/2003 10:03:17 AM PDT by knighthawk
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2 posted on 10/08/2003 10:03:42 AM PDT by knighthawk (And for the name of peace, we will prevail)
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To: knighthawk
The UN and "Famous Anus" should be sent to Botswana.
3 posted on 10/08/2003 10:04:28 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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4 posted on 10/08/2003 10:06:56 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: knighthawk
We need to give the UN a good spanking!!
5 posted on 10/08/2003 10:07:58 AM PDT by Skybird
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To: knighthawk
The UN apparantly uses the same strategy on dictorships and despots as they do with children. What a bunch of maroons!
6 posted on 10/08/2003 10:08:04 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: knighthawk

Canada, you've been naughty

7 posted on 10/08/2003 10:18:53 AM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
"Canada, you've been naughty."

I bet Canada would support that kind of spanking.
8 posted on 10/08/2003 10:37:39 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: knighthawk
The UN prefers the Saudi method of dealing with unruly and improperly dressed schoolgirls: burn them alive.

This is much less damaging to their self esteem.
9 posted on 10/08/2003 10:42:25 AM PDT by dinasour
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To: knighthawk
"U.N. Whacks Canada's Pee-Pee"

FMCDH

10 posted on 10/08/2003 10:42:50 AM PDT by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: knighthawk
Funny how the UN doesn't "scold" some African countries for the practice of circumsizing (euphamisim for the complete removal of a young womans clitoris) when they reach the appropriate age.

They allow countries like Lybia and China to be members of the UN's Human Rights Commission and then bitch at Canada for allowing parents to dicipline their children.

The UN is more than irrelevant, the UN is dangerous.

Best Regards

Sergio
11 posted on 10/08/2003 11:03:33 AM PDT by Sergio (...but mine goes to 11.)
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To: knighthawk
Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US!
14 posted on 10/08/2003 1:03:03 PM PDT by Steely Glint ("Communists are just Democrats in a big hurry.")
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To: knighthawk
Cripes, that asnine.

Maybe the UN thinks Canada needs to follow the example of another proud UN member like, I dunno, Saudi Arabia or North Korea. THEY never get in trouble, so they must be doing something right, eh?
15 posted on 10/08/2003 1:10:26 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Skybird
"We need to give the UN a good spanking!!"

Ditto that. I don't know of a single guy on the street who's opposed to limiting UN members' wages to 75,000 a year, tops, rather than the bottom level. And few people would be opposed to cutting our UN payments to 1/2. This stuff is frivolous. They have too much time on their hands. They need to cut staff, downsize. [Truth is, I'd like to kick the bums out, but a few more wedges ought to do it.]
16 posted on 10/10/2003 2:17:23 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Telling good from evil: check the fruit it bears.)
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To: backhoe
Here's one for your link list on the UN!
17 posted on 10/10/2003 2:18:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Telling good from evil: check the fruit it bears.)
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To: Sergio
"There are other means," she said. "Children are very smart, and even when they are as young as two or three months old, they will understand if you have a tough look, or change the tone of your voice, or turn away from them...."

The wheels are spinning, but there's nothing behind the wheel. Kids learn one thing pretty quick: what a bluff is. When kids realise that a parent is bluffing, discipline goes out the window.
18 posted on 10/10/2003 2:29:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Telling good from evil: check the fruit it bears.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Thanks, AWM!
19 posted on 10/10/2003 3:13:02 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's will be forever known as "the Decade of Frauds" [ Clintons, dot-bombs, Oslo Accords...])
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"'If he puts his hand on a hot oven, he will be burnt and he will not do it again,' said Moushira Khattab of Egypt.'

And I'm supposed to take parenting advice from this mental midget? A burned child is now preferable to a popped hand... I think I get it now; just let little Johnny play in the street. Getting hit by an eighteen-wheeler will teach the insolent little bastard a lesson he won't soon forget.

These people never cease to amaze me.
20 posted on 10/10/2003 3:48:19 AM PDT by Right Angler
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