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Senior U.S. diplomats press Israel on settlements [William Burns]
Haaretz ^ | 30/09/2003 05:15 | Zvi Zrahiya

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:46:21 PM PDT by yonif

DETROIT - A senior U.S. diplomat said on Monday that Israel's refusal to stop building settlements in the West Bank threatened its future as a democratic Jewish state.

The warning came in a speech by William Burns, assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, at the U.S.-Arab Economic Forum in Detroit, a conference exploring ways of fostering growth, development and trade between the United States and the Arab world.

"As Israeli settlements expand and their populations increase, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how the two peoples will be separated into two states," Burns said.

"The fact is that settlements continue to grow today, encouraged by specific government policies and at enormous expense to Israel's economy, and this persists even as it becomes clear that the logic of settlements and the reality of demographics could threaten the future of Israel as a Jewish democracy." Burns was referring to experts' predictions that Jews will become a minority in the area encompassing Israel, the West Bank and Gaza by 2020.

Burns added that Israel's settlement policy ran counter to the goal, supported by U.S. President George W. Bush, of creating a contiguous Palestinian state alongside Israel, with the two eventually living side by side in peace.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, in a speech to the forum later, claimed U.S. progress in rebuilding Iraq and having "mobilized the world against terrorism," while calling on Palestinians to help get the "road map" back on track.

Powell's 35-minute speech was interrupted by applause just twice, in a city with one of the largest Arab and Islamic populations outside the Middle East.

One was when Powell reinforced the call for an end to Israeli settlement activity and the other when he urged an end to the opening of "unauthorized outposts" by Israel.

Burns and Powell both also criticized Israel's planned security fence through the West Bank. Palestinians describe the fence as a new "Berlin Wall." Israel says it needs it to keep out suicide bombers.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 09/29/2003 7:46:22 PM PDT by yonif
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; Paved Paradise; Mr. Mojo; Thinkin' Gal; Bobby777; adam_az; Alouette; ...
Terrorism pays. Even with all the terror, just claiming 2 more lives, including a 7 month year old baby, there is still a talk of state for a made up "people" by this administration. What a wonderful policy...

Powell's 35-minute speech was interrupted by applause just twice, in a city with one of the largest Arab and Islamic populations outside the Middle East. One was when Powell reinforced the call for an end to Israeli settlement activity and the other when he urged an end to the opening of "unauthorized outposts" by Israel.

2 posted on 09/29/2003 7:47:50 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
I'd tell William Burns to shove it. Jews have as much right to live in the cradle of their homeland as Americans have the right to live in the original 13 colonies. And no amount of pro-Palestinian spin can change this reality.
3 posted on 09/29/2003 7:49:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: yonif
In other news, William Burns travelled to California today for negotiations with Vicente Fox and Cruz Bustamante on restoration of the Mexican lands stolen by ...
4 posted on 09/29/2003 7:52:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: yonif
"As Israeli settlements expand and their populations increase, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how the two peoples will be separated into two states," Burns said.

That's easy. Send them back to their homeland, Jordan.

5 posted on 09/29/2003 7:53:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: yonif
Who is this guy Burns and how long has he been with the State Department? Of course he is on the side of the Arabs since he works for the State Department and most likely is a career dolt a-hole. We can understand Powell having no smarts and now this career a-hole. So it comes down to going back to the same old 50 year policies of hating the Israeli's (= Jews)and eventually the problem will go away. (See final solution).
6 posted on 09/29/2003 7:53:21 PM PDT by Napoleon Solo
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To: goldstategop
They never criticize illegal building by Arabs in that area, just the Jews.

Jews have to leave for a "Palestine" to be established and they can't stay there, but the Arabs (1.3M) in Israel, are to stay in Israel.

7 posted on 09/29/2003 7:54:14 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Napoleon Solo
From the State Dept. page - here is our Counter-terrorism policy. Do you see we are following it when it comes to Israel? http://www.state.gov/s/ct/

U.S. Counterterrorism Policy

First, make no concessions to terrorists and strike no deals;

Second, bring terrorists to justice for their crimes;

Third, isolate and apply pressure on states that sponsor terrorism to force them to change their behavior; and

Fourth, bolster the counterterrorism capabilities of those countries that work with the U.S. and require assistance.

8 posted on 09/29/2003 7:57:08 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
William Burns is a Saudi agent within the American government. Bush might as well have appointed Edward Said to the post. Our State Department is a disgrace.
9 posted on 09/29/2003 8:16:22 PM PDT by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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To: Napoleon Solo
BIOGRAPHY

William Joseph Burns
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs
Term of Appointment: 06/07/2001 to present

William Joseph Burns was confirmed by the Senate as Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs on May 25, 2001, and was sworn in on June 7, 2001.

Assistant Secretary Burns, of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, is a career member of the Senior Foreign Service, with the rank of Minister-Counselor. Since entering the Foreign Service in 1982, Assistant Secretary Burns has served in a number of posts in Washington and overseas. These include Political Officer at the Embassy in Amman, Jordan; staff positions in the Bureau of Near East Affairs and the Office of the Deputy Secretary of State; Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Near East and South Asian Affairs at the National Security Council Staff; Acting Director and Principal Deputy Director of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff; Minister-Counselor for Political Affairs at the Embassy in Moscow; Executive Secretary of the State Department and Special Assistant to the Secretary of State; and Ambassador to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Assistant Secretary Burns earned a B.A. in History from LaSalle University and M.Phil. and D.Phil. degrees in International Relations from Oxford University, where he studied as a Marshall Scholar. He was also awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws degree by LaSalle University in 1997. Assistant Secretary Burns is the author of Economic Aid and American Policy Toward Egypt, 1955-1981 (State University of New York Press, l985). He speaks Arabic, Russian, and French, and is the recipient of the Presidential Distinguished Service Award and a number of Department of State awards, including the Distinguished Honor Award, the James Clement Dunn Award, and five Superior Honor awards.

Assistant Secretary Burns is married and has two daughters.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/4573.htm
10 posted on 09/29/2003 8:23:54 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: yonif
This guy is one of the major problems in the State Department. He's been there for twenty years, as the bio mentions.
11 posted on 09/29/2003 8:26:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: yonif
Yoni,

I'm getting ticked-off, too.

My tag line is advice for Sharon. (among others)
Still hope he and Bush have something up their sleeves.
Otherwise, go for it.


12 posted on 09/29/2003 8:38:20 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Stop thinking about it and do it.)
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To: yonif
Settlements on the West Bank except near the border of Israel proper only make sense if Israel plans it expel the Arabs from the West Bank, or dump its democracy by denying them the the vote. Both are non staters and will lead to the destruction of Israel as we know it. The policy is dumb, and really reflects a lack of political will in the face of special interest pressure groups during a period where things are in a state of dysfuntional statis.
13 posted on 09/29/2003 8:47:06 PM PDT by Torie
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

U.S.-Arab Economic Forum

Question: How do you find someone to make this work that is acceptable to the United States and Israel and also has credibility with the Palestinian people? And as settlements expand and the fence is built, it's carving up the West Bank and doesn't it almost preclude the possibility of a Palestinian state?

Secretary Powell: We painfully came to the conclusion that Chairman Arafat was not a partner for peace. The Israelis had come to that conclusion some time ago. President Clinton came to that conclusion at the very end of his administration. The last day of his administration he called me as I was getting ready to become Secretary of State the next day and all of his efforts had just come to naught. And he let me have it for about 20 minutes on the phone about Yasser Arafat and how a great deal had been put before him and he didn't take it.

I tried for 14 months to try to get Mr. Arafat to move. I got him out of his confinement in the Muqata'a (Arafat's compound) twice. I went into the Muqata'a through Israeli lines, then the Palestinian lines, with one set of bodyguards passing me off to another set of bodyguards and I sat there across from him when he had a machine gun on his desk and told him that you've got to change. You simply have to become a partner for peace and start taking action against terrorists or we're not going to get anywhere and I'm not going to be able to deal with you.

We got him out of that situation and he didn't change. And so last year, the 24th of June, the president gave a speech, a vision for the Palestinian state that would need new leadership. And guess what, we found new leadership in Prime Minister Abbas, so the Palestinians, with Arafat, created a prime minister position, and we wanted to work with him. And that's why the president went to Aqaba and before that Sharm al-Sheik.

But Abbas was not able to get full control of all the security forces, couldn't wrest them away from Arafat, Arafat constantly undercut him. And finally Abbas said "I've got to have it or I'm going to quit." Arafat didn't give it and he quit.

Arafat is still seen by the Palestinian people as their leader. You can't take away from people what they think about leadership and who their leader should be. But the Palestinian people have to start looking at what that leadership has gotten them. It's not gotten them one day closer to the Palestinian state.

And they're cheering him on now because the Israelis, I think, made a mistake in threatening to exile him and kill him and other things. They just put him back on Page One and every television station. It was a mistake.

With respect to the second part of your question, actions such as continuing settlement activity and a fence that is on your property is fine, but as it transgresses and goes into Palestinian territory, you're creating a de facto situation which makes it harder to define the contiguous line needed for a Palestinian state. We've made it clear to the Israelis that we wouldn't be interested in any final solution that looks like Bantustan or a bunch of little fiefdoms all over the West Bank. It has to be a contiguous, sensible state. So if we can get to the point where we're having those discussions it will be very tough. President Clinton had some very tough discussions with the Israelis and got them to acknowledge how much would have to be given up in order to bring peace between the two parties.

I think if you can get to that point where serious negotiations on what the state looks like take place, you can make progress. Because the reality is that Israel needs peace just as badly as the Palestinians do. Demographically Israelis need peace. Arabs and Palestinians will outnumber them and it will, de facto, by demography, become a Palestinian area pressing in on Israel. Isreali leaders know this and the Israeli people know it. And they know they will have to make the kinds of sacrifices suggested by your question.

14 posted on 09/30/2003 8:02:59 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: goldstategop
I'd tell William Burns to shove it. Jews have as much right to live in the cradle of their homeland as Americans have the right to live in the original 13 colonies. And no amount of pro-Palestinian spin can change this reality.

Then what do you do with Resolution 242. With Oslo, with Hebron, with the Wye Accords.

Israel is double-minded on the situation. It says that it has the right to build settlements in the West Bank, yet, it turns right around and states that it stands by UN Resolution 242. Which is it?

Israel can't have it both ways. If it wants the land (and I'm not talking about 90% of the settlements located on the Green Line... those settlements are in accordance to UN Resolution 242) as it's own... then Israel has to quit building settlements in what they acknowledge as Palestinian lands.

But, the world community has to realize that the new Palestinian state can't be Judenrein either. If Jews want to live in Jericho or Hebron in a Palestinian state, they should be welcomed. If Hebron or Jericho is in the new Palestinian state, then Israel can't carve out a section and say that it is Israel sovereign territory.

15 posted on 09/30/2003 8:13:02 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: goldstategop
Israel can't have it both ways. If it wants the land (and I'm not talking about 90% of the settlements located on the Green Line... those settlements are in accordance to UN Resolution 242) as it's own... then Israel has to quit building settlements in what they acknowledge as Palestinian lands.

Talked about a hackneyed sentence... sorry... it should read...

Israel can't have it both ways. It it wants the land conquered in 1967, then it needs to state that unequivocably. If it plans to return the land to the Palestinians, then Israel needs to quit building on it.

16 posted on 09/30/2003 8:20:50 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: carton253
242 Says taht Israel should turn over land via negotiations. Nowhere does it say that Israel should surrender ALL of the land.
Israel will not give up Jerusalem, the Gush Etzion block of surburbs, various other communities that are continguous to green-line Israel, and strategic locations including certain mountains. That leave about 90% of the contested territory for the Arabs.
The communities in Hebron et all will be sacrificed. Those Jews that stay will eventually be expeeled or murdered.
18 posted on 09/30/2003 4:50:23 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads are traitors)
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To: rmlew
Okay... obviously, you didn't read my posts. Nowhere did I even remotely suggest that Israel should surrender ALL the land. In fact, 90% of settlements are along the Green Line are legal according to Resolution 242.

Resolution 242 did more than suggest that Israel should turn over the land via negotiations. The authors of 242 and those who signed on to it made provisions for the recognition of Israel and a Palestinian state. The only negotiation would be over secure and stable borders for Israel. It wasn't land for peace... but peace first than land... That is why I don't have a problem with the settlements down the Green Line.

I don't even have a problem if Israel said we are annexing the whole West Bank and Gaza strip. I think it would be legal and ethical for them to do that.

My posts only suggest that Israel needs to make up her mind and quit playing a double game. They have promised, with 242, 336, Oslo, Wye, Hebron Accords, and Camp David II, that the would be willing to see some sort of Palestinian state come into being... (either autonomous rule or a sovereign state depending on who is Prime Minister at the time)... If that is the end result of Israeli policy, then the far-flung settlements deep into the territory promised to the Palestinians need to go. Why are there Israeli settlements in Gaza? Etc.

19 posted on 10/01/2003 4:54:32 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Yehuda
Yes, everyone who doesn't cowtow to the Israeli line is a Saudi Rump licker... (oh for crying out loud)
20 posted on 10/01/2003 4:55:19 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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