[Greg Luzinski]

A few weeks old, but increasingly getting attention. (The guy with whom I study Torah just brought it to my attention.)

[Dialup Llama]

Of course this guy wants Gibson to make a Jesus movie of the Sermon on the Mount- which is a group of general sayings that sounds Bhuddistic and nonthreatening to people today. The world likes that kind of Jesus.

But they cannot stand Jesus portrayed as Messiah and sacrifice which is precisely the movie that Gibson should be making (and has made).

[wideawake]

Klinghoffer is way off base in his analysis, and he COMPLETELY misrepresents Geza Vermes' meticulous research into the Judaism of ancient Galilee.

Jesus did not reject the oral Torah at all - he told the disciples that the Pharisaic teachers sat in Moses' seat and that their teaching should be observed.

What he was critiquing was too intense a focus on the letter.

The Pharisaic interpretation believes that the Torah was twofold: written and oral.

Jesus believed that too.

But the Pharisaic tradition also believes in "building a protective hedge" of observances around both the written and oral Torah as well.

As far as Galilee was concerned, Vermes shows that Galilee was a wealthy province with many well-educated scholars and charismatic tzaddikim (holy men).

He demonstrates that Galilean Jews thought that their counterparts in the Judaean homeland were too wrapped up in the finer points of legal disputes, that they had an aversion to work and enterprise and all the other prejudices that crop up in regional rivalries.

Klinghoffer does Vermes a real disservice here.

[Lost Highway]

It seems to me what Jesus objected to was that the leaders obeyed only the letter of the law and used it for their own personal gain. Not because their hearts were in the right place. They were hypocrites.

The true story of the gospels is that Christ our Lord died for our sins and rose again. Everything after that is secondary. Which is why the movie is what it is.

[joesnuffy]

As Christians a lot of us believe Jesus is God
not God the Father ...but God the Son
He confessed this to the Pharisses and this is ultimately what got him crucified..
Since He and the Father are one (He said so) and If you have seen the Son then you have also seen the Father (He said that to)
And since God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are enternal...and in complete agreement...
It is fair to say...That God the Son (Jesus) wrote the Torah as well as the New Testament

[Cicero]

There's some truth in this, perhaps. But Jesus went much further, claiming to be the Messiah and God.

"Before Abraham was, I AM."

[LiteKeeper]

SPOTREP

[TheCrusader]

" Maimonides, too, in his Mishnah Torah, affirms Jewish involvement in Jesus’ execution —"

Josephus, the Jewish historian and general who lived during Christ's era, also wrote that Jesus was crucified "at the suggestion of our own people". There is no getting around this fact, no matter how much they may try to.

[hosepipe]

Actually, I believe that a movie protraying Jesus correctly would cast him as one rejecting ALL religion since he came to make all religion obsolete... and DID...

To wit; "you must become as a little child" - Jesus

Little children don't start, organize, get paid, or go to war for religion... Good children mind their fathers, but alas the bad ones start religions.... so its been since the beginning... The Romans did a bad thing when they invented clubs.. ever after when the bad children played religion they needed handshakes, pass words, and door knocks to get admitted..
ex-communicating some of the bad children... which frustrated the little blight'ers.. causeing them make other clubs like the "REALLY REAL Club of God", and on like that there...

What did the good children do in all this time..?
DUNNO, I've been a BAaaaad boy...

[Aquinasfan]

On point after point, Jesus derides not the written Torah but its orally transmitted interpretations.

How do you explain this passage:

Matthew 23

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you.

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[DouglasKC]

Excellent article. Early Christians, followers of Christ, certainly did keep the sabbath, holy days and other biblical commandments. Modern day Christianity doesn't really understand this...most believe that the "burden" that Christ did away with were the God given commandments.

[agrace]

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