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The hunt for weapons of mass destruction yields - nothing
Guardian ^ | 09/25/03 | Julian Borger in Washington

Posted on 09/24/2003 7:21:02 PM PDT by Pikamax

The hunt for weapons of mass destruction yields - nothing

Intelligence claims of huge Iraqi stockpiles were wrong, says report

Julian Borger in Washington, Ewen MacAskill and Patrick Wintour Thursday September 25, 2003 The Guardian

An intensive six-month search of Iraq for weapons of mass destruction has failed to find a single trace of an illegal arsenal, according to accounts of a report circulated in Washington and London. A draft of the report, compiled by the CIA-led 1,400-strong Iraq Survey Group (ISG), has been sent to the White House, the Pentagon and Downing Street, a US intelligence source said, and will contain no evidence of Iraqi stockpiles of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons.

"It demonstrates that the main judgments of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) in October 2002, that Saddam had hundreds of tonnes of chemical and biological agents ready, are false," said the source.

The timing of this disclosure could hardly be worse for Tony Blair, just days before the start of the Labour party conference. Iraq has dogged the prime minister almost continuously for five months, overshadowing the domestic agenda. Downing Street had been hoping for respite after the end of Lord Hutton's inquiry, which closes today.

Mr Blair put forward Iraq's weapons of mass destruction as the reason for going to war and he has repeatedly insisted that the weapons would be found.

He told a sceptical Conservative MP in the Commons on April 30 that he was absolutely convinced that Iraq had such weapons and predicted that, when the report was published, "you and others will be eating some of your words."

Although Downing Street last night officially dismissed the leak as speculation, government sources confirmed that it was accurate.

A No 10 spokesman said: "People should wait. The reports today are speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report that has not even been presented yet. And when it comes it will be an interim report. The ISG's work will go on."

He added: "Our clear expectation is that this interim report will not reach firm conclusions about Iraq's possession of WMD."

The government defence will be to stress that failure to find WMD does not mean that it does not exist.

Last night's leak will fuel the anti-war sentiment ahead of Saturday's demonstration in London for withdrawal of US and British troops from Iraq. It will also make it harder for Labour party organisers to resist grassroots pressure for a debate on Iraq.

The interim report is at present pencilled in for publication next week but the Labour, party, anxious to avoid it landing in the middle of its conference, is trying to get that changed.

The results of the ISG's search are also disappointing for the White House.

There is a debate within the administration over whether the report would be delivered to Congress at all, but congressional aides said they expected to hear from the head of the ISG, the former UN in spector David Kay, as early as next week.

He arrived back from Iraq last Wednesday and since then has been working on the report.

It is now thought that the ISG investigation will dwell on Saddam Hussein's capability and intentions.

The NIE was put together by the CIA and other US intelligence agencies, and claimed that the Iraqi leader had chemical and biological stockpiles, and a continuing nuclear programme that could produce a home-made bomb before the end of the decade.

The NIE became a key document in the propaganda war waged by President Bush in the runup to the invasion of Iraq in March, although intelligence officials warned that many of the nuances and cautionary notes from original reports had been removed from the final documents.

According to accounts of the ISG draft, captured Iraqi scientists gave the investigation an account of how weapons were destroyed, but those accounts refer back to the period immediately after the 1991 Gulf war.

The nuclear section of the survey group has also finished its work and left Iraq.

After addressing the Senate in July, a bullish Mr Kay claimed "solid evidence" was being gathered and warned journalists to expect "surprises".

No such surprises appear to be in the draft.

The CIA took the unusual step of playing down expectations of the report yesterday. "Dr Kay is still receiving information from the field. It will be just the first progress report, and we expect that it will reach no firm conclusions, nor will it rule anything in or out," the chief agency spokesman, Bill Harlow, said.

An intelligence official added yesterday that the timing of the report's release "had yet to be determined".

In London, a Foreign Office spokesman said: "It is David Kay's report. We do not have it. We will comment on it when it is presented.

"When it comes, it will be an interim report. ISG's work will continue. The reports are speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report that has not yet even been presented yet."

David Albright, a former UN weapons inspector, said: "It's clear that the US and British governments wildly exaggerated the case for going to war." But he added that the fact that the survey group had not found concrete evidence of weapons did not mean that the Baghdad regime did not have programmes to quickly reconstitute programmes and weapons at short notice.

"Just because they can't find it, doesn't mean its not there," Mr Albright said.

"I'm not surprised, given how incompetent this search had been. They've had bad relations with the [Iraqi] scientists from the start because they treated them all as criminals."

Many of the Iraqi scientists and officials who surrendered to US forces have been held in detention for months without contact with their families, despite assurances they would be well treated if they cooperated.

But recently the Bush administration, under mounting pressure to justify the invasion, has been trying to improve the incentives for former Saddam loyalists to provide information.

Reuters quoted a senior US official yesterday as saying that the former defence minister, Sultan Hashim Ahmed, had been given "effective" immunity in the hope that he would provide information on Saddam's weapons programmes.

The foreign secretary Jack Straw, speaking at the United Nations general assembly in New York, declined to comment on the ISG report.

"If people want evidence, they don't have to wait for Dr Kay's report, what they can do is look at the volumes of reports from the weapons inspectors going back over a dozen years including the final report from Unmovic on March 7 this year, which set out 29 separate areas of unanswered disarmament questions to Iraq," he said.

The shadow foreign secretary, Michael Ancram, described the leak as "another damaging blow to the prime minister's credibility" and renewed calls for a judicial inquiry into the war.

The Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, Menzies Campbell, said: "If this report is true, there was no such threat. What there was was deception."

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1 posted on 09/24/2003 7:21:03 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
Julian Borger in Washington

Julian Borger? Is this supposed to be unbiased reporting? Wasn't this guy the lead demoCREEP counsel at some point (during one of the investigations)?

2 posted on 09/24/2003 7:24:48 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: Pikamax
Maybe you should send the Author this, seems like either we have had knowledge of such weapons for some time or his hero Clinton was a liar as well. And a good search of google.com/unclesam turns up loads of information from various agencies going back years about such weapons.

If Bush had found them the left would have claimed they were planted (and many on Du predicted that would be the case). Damned if we do, damned if we don't :)

Gore repeats that Saddam MUST GO - June 2000
Following Gore's meeting with the Iraqi opposition groups, the two sides released a joint statement reiterating the U.S. commitment to removing Saddam Husseyn from power and arguing that Saddam's removal "is the key to the positive transformation of Iraq's relationship to the international community." ---- "U.S. Vice President Al Gore told Iraqi opposition leaders that Saddam Husseyn "must be removed from power,"

The Democrats' Case Against Saddam Hussein (Dems nailed, yet again)
Senator Kerry: "Mr. President, we have every reason to believe that Saddam Hussein will continue to do everything in his power to further develop weapons of mass destruction and the ability to deliver those weapons, and that he will use those weapons without concern or pangs of conscience if ever and whenever his own calculations persuade him it is in his interests to do so. . . . I have spoken before this chamber on several occasions to state my belief that the United States must take every feasible step to lead the world to remove this unacceptable threat.

Headline Rundown and links on Iraq - Things the democrats have conviently forgot...
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: However, as you all know from the recent crisis that we had, that we are sensing more and more that Saddam Hussein only wants sanctions lifted and does not want to comply with what is absolutely essential, that is, that he not reacquire or redevelop his ability to have weapons of mass destruction, or threaten his neighbors, or threaten our forces in the region. And therefore, we have added to our policy, and are now at containment plus regime change.

Saddam Abused His Last Chance, Clinton -clear and present danger to safety of people everywhere 1998
Clinton: "Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said. The Iraqi dictator has used these weapons against his neighbors and his own people, he said, and "left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again."

What the democrats want you to forget
Clinton: Clinton detailed Hussein's lies and evasions since the end of the Gulf War. Under the agreement ending the war, Hussein had 15 days to report about his nuclear, chemical and biological arsenal. "Iraq has repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War," Clinton said.
U.N. inspectors have found proof time and again that Iraq lied about its nuclear program, Clinton said. The Iraqis simply amended their declaration to incorporate the discoveries.
"[Iraq] has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by [the U.N. Special Commission]," he said.

Iraq is a Regional Threat, capable of as much as 200 tons of VX nerve agent (1999 Clinton report)


3 posted on 09/24/2003 7:31:10 PM PDT by chance33_98 (Knock Knock! Who's there? ATF/FBI Where is Elian?!)
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To: Pikamax
Dead children, previously playing in Halabja
Victims of Saddams' WMD in March 1988.


Chemical warhead at an Iraqi air base, marked with a green band,
the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent was found
in two spots on the ~meter long warhead. The amounts could be consistent with
leakage from a chemically armed weapon. A 13-foot missile was found next
to it.


5 posted on 09/24/2003 7:33:39 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Pikamax
Plug 'em into google. Watch what pops out!
6 posted on 09/24/2003 7:33:55 PM PDT by jaz.357 (The beatings will continue until morale improves!)
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To: Pikamax
captured Iraqi scientists gave the investigation an account of how weapons were destroyed, but those accounts refer back to the period immediately after the 1991 Gulf war.

Didn't UN weapons inspectors find tons of these supposedly destroyed weapons in 1993 or 1994?

7 posted on 09/24/2003 7:35:13 PM PDT by Apollo
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To: Pikamax
bttt
9 posted on 09/24/2003 7:42:04 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Pikamax
I still say that if they don't find the stockpiles of WMD's like we thought were there, it just shows-to-go-you that there was a mass plot to make Saddam appear more powerful than he was so that Dubya would be afraid to attack him on this large a scale.

Apparently Saddam's calculator didn't do Cowboy math.

I think (hope) that a majority of the people can see through all the anti-war hype and lies that are being thrown around by the Dims and 3rd Partyers.
10 posted on 09/24/2003 7:48:08 PM PDT by gooleyman (Rollin', Rollin', Rollin.....Rollin', Rollin', Rollin)
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To: emasculated
Basically, no one knows what is on the report except unnamed sources and "government officials" I will wait on the report. This is the Guardian who said Bush walked into the UN with hat in hand in humilation to ask for help.
11 posted on 09/24/2003 7:49:57 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: emasculated
And what time frame do you see as acceptable? I would rather our folks worry about getting things calmed down over there then look for WMD. Apparently the world, including the UN, saw Saddam as a threat - why else were they so involved in the first place? The UN was taking a mighty long time to find nothing, they were looking awful hard for years for a reason. They believed he was a threat, so did most other countries, and they were happy waiting until he did more. We were not. The world waited on osama, they waited on hitler, and they were willing to wait on Saddam. Hitler said he would be good after people whined about his actions, he lied and they sat around. Saddam said he would be good too, obviously the UN thought he was lying, so did we. I would rather be wrong about the wmd and have saddam than to be right and he has them and is still in power.
12 posted on 09/24/2003 7:54:42 PM PDT by chance33_98 (Knock Knock! Who's there? ATF/FBI Where is Elian?!)
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To: mattdono
Bump for later...
13 posted on 09/24/2003 7:54:48 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: chance33_98
'...and have saddam gone...' (edit)
14 posted on 09/24/2003 7:55:41 PM PDT by chance33_98 (Knock Knock! Who's there? ATF/FBI Where is Elian?!)
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And a question for the lurkers from other areas: I have read many comments elsewhere that stated we would of course find WMD because we gave them to saddam. Uh....where are those weapons we gave em?
15 posted on 09/24/2003 7:59:34 PM PDT by chance33_98 (Knock Knock! Who's there? ATF/FBI Where is Elian?!)
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To: chance33_98
and just for reference, if Saddam never had these weapons and got rid of them from 1991. The UN is totally useless as is other countries..

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/01fs/14906.htm

Fact Sheet
Excerpt from White House background paper "A Decade of Deception and Defiance"
Washington, DC
November 8, 2002

Security Council Resolutions Concerning Iraq



Read the entire White House background paper "A Decade of Deception and Defiance"

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions
Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated seventeen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:

UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002

Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.
UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999


Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).


Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.


Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.


Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.
UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998


"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.


Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998


"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."
UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997


"Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.


Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997


"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997


"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996


"Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996


Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994


"Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.


Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.


Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 8:02:20 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Diogenesis
Saddam Hussein was a weapon of mass destruction.

If I say that often enough, maybe someone will hear me.
17 posted on 09/24/2003 8:03:57 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Pikamax
Good reading indeed.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 8:10:41 PM PDT by chance33_98 (Knock Knock! Who's there? ATF/FBI Where is Elian?!)
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To: Pikamax
exactly!! even if we NEVER find a single WMD we were still justified in going in because of the numerous resolution violations.

i simply cannot understand the problem people have with this. really, is it that far of a stretch for anyone to believe saddam had/has WMD's?!?!?!?

19 posted on 09/24/2003 8:36:16 PM PDT by zoesmom (it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion)
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To: chance33_98
Any doubters should see a copy of the CD being sold everywhere in Iraq (thank you American capitalism) of Saddam & Sons alternately loving their families and torturing their enemies. Horrible stuff on par with the Faces of Death videos, except with the Tikriti clan all the "fun" was viciously effective keeping all other factions in check.
A thugocracy of religious zealots immediately mandating that half the workforce be hid in the homes is the last thing a newly enabled population should heed when funds are needed for rebuilding.
20 posted on 09/24/2003 8:39:47 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Islam does not mix with democracy. Do not get Islam near eyes. Do not taunt Happy Islam.)
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