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To: Big Giant Head
I'm not missing anything--I think people are willing to back up this parent as long as she's using her kid to push her own brand of Christianity and not Islam. People are okay with a loose interpretation of the First Amendment as long as they don't think they need protection.

But if any poster on this thread had a child who came home with little candies wrapped in notes saying "Islam is sweet" and "There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet" all of this hair-splitting about what constitutes establishment of religion would fall by the wayside. They'd be in the principal's office so fast it would make your head spin.

The first amendment says that government has to respect all religions equally. If schools are providing a captive audience for an energetic Christian mother to exploit her kid to spread the good news, then they have to let the Muslim mother try to convert your kids with candies and tracts about Allah. Schools don't want any part of it. Parents don't want any part of it. No one here wants their four year olds subjected to daily "peer-led" lessons on why Islam is the way to go Jesus is just a prophet.

And lesbianism is *not* diverting the issue--there are churches that believe that they have a special mission to bring acceptance of non-traditional families. Those lesbian parents have the same rights as Walz to express their faith. Why can't people acknowledge that when they defend people like Walz and Judge Moore, they're also defending Muslims and lesbian parents who want to convert *their* kids? If you'd only accept that, I'd be fine with your view of the First Amendment. But I've seen too many nasty threads on FR about how GLSEN and Muslims are invading the schools and trying to convert children to trust people to really stick to principles.
54 posted on 09/25/2003 4:10:51 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory
,i.I think people are willing to back up this parent as long as she's using her kid to push her own brand of Christianity and not Islam.

For roughly 200 years, America accepted and even expected the promotion of Christianity and religious precepts in our schools and institutions. In-fact, our Founders and early Institutions themselves considered it imperative for the survival of the Republic for them to do just that:

"Let every student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life, John 17:3, and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdom, let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of Him." - Rules and Precepts of Harvard.

The first amendment says that government has to respect all religions equally.

Really? Where are those words written? Article I, Bill of Rights reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercize thereof..." Sorry, I still don't find the words "government has to respect all religions equally."

In-fact, one of our first Legal Scholars who advised our Founders warned us against doing that very thing:

"An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indiference, would create universal disapprobation, and universal indignation." - Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice 1811

Why can't people acknowledge that when they defend people like Walz and Judge Moore, they're also defending Muslims and lesbian parents who want to convert *their* kids?

America was founded on the Laws of God in scripture, codified in the 10 Commandments, the cornerstone which was Jesus Christ. The Founders understood this Republic would only last as long as the people were beholden to that foundation.

Because we have devolved into debauchery and redefined morality, bending and reworking our foundations to accomodate our newfound tolerances and acceptances of hostile doctrines and precepts is still going to turn this Republic into a tyrannical secular democracy and ultimately be destroyed. We already see the fruits of this in our culture - it is all downhill from here.

"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian religion applied and accepted by all the classes. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance, men are certain to shed their responsibilities for licentiousness and this great experiment will then be surely doomed" - John Jay

Moral relativism, indifference and acceptance of traditions and new beliefs hostile to the very pillars of our existance, will result in our complete collapse into pure tyranny and eventual annihilation. Our Founders warned us of this, God in scripture warns us of this - and We the People have not heeded, and are being governed by our own ideas and suppostions of morality.

We will go the way all the Republics before us have gone, and in short order.

57 posted on 09/25/2003 8:17:13 AM PDT by INVAR
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