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To: 45Auto
I didn't see anything in this "plan" to close the border to further illegal encroachments. Its already a crime to smuggle people into the country, so this so-called "punishment" plan for traffickers is worthless without a strong border control policy. I am absolutely opposed to any type of 'amnesty' or streamlined citizenship process for those already here unless it is coupled to a closed border policy. Arnold is tampering in an area in which state governors have no authority: its called "Foreign Policy" and it is the purview of the US Executive Branch. This guy is nuts.

Well, while I oppose all Amnesties, regardless of them being coupled with better enforcement (I fell for that scam in 1986, and won't do it again), I can at least respect someone making the argument honestly, using words that have meanings which we all understand.

Unfortunately, Schwarzenegger is using Karl Rove's focus-grouped glossary.

Arnold, by his own, Amnesty-favoring words, repeatedly shows that he is untrustworthy on Illegal Aliens.


24 posted on 09/24/2003 12:44:45 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
I would prefer that the INS (or whatever its called today under the new, improved cabinet Department of Homeland Security) be funded to round up every last illegal and escort them in none-too-nice a manner to the border. Fingerprint the lot of 'em and if they show up again, they get five years on a work farm. That should keep the price of lettuce down! But the reality is, that would be very difficult and very expensive. What we need is a closed border (and I mean very closed border) with serious enforcement, real head banging, for those who try to come across uninvited. I would have no problem with a stringent "guest worker program" (with time limits) that would keep track of who comes in and where they are.

A friend of mine did a six-month job in Switzerland last year; he had to have papers with him at all times. He had to be able to show who he was, where he worked, where he was living, how long his work visa was good for, and he had to check in with the Swiss immigration authorities every month. If he had missed his plane out by one day, he would have been arrested and would have had to show cause why the hell he was still in country. That's the way to do it.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 12:57:35 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Sabertooth
Rove must love Schwarzenegger.

They both believe in MexROF, i.e.: Mexicans are the Republicans of the Future. Apparently it is a future in which Schwarzenegger-type 'Republicans' will hold office on the strength of the Mexican vote. The Republican theory de jour is that the "conservative family values" Mexicans will flock to the GOP to counteract rival minority groups and women who flock to the Democrats.

Can't wait to hear Austrian-Accented Spanish. It sure didn't work for Emperor Maximilian.

Why can no one in goverment say the magic words, "Border Controls?" And why does Bush listen to an idiot like Karl Rove?

99 posted on 09/25/2003 7:53:11 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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