Posted on 09/18/2003 5:14:32 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
I have got to respond to this bit of stupidity!
"Zelda Baby" wrote in message
> I worry too..how the world will see us if George W. Bush is actually legally re-elected....those of us who have traveled outside this country recently......could only escape criticism by reminding some that Bush was appointed...and NOT elected by the majority.....if he is legtimately re-elected....then we deserve the criticism we get.
Pray tell, "Zelda Baby", just how _was_ George W. Bush elected? Since you seem to be afflicted with a particularly virulent form of an intellectually debilitating virus, let me clarify the issue, and make it simple enough so that even *you* can understand it:
1) A president of the United States of America is elected SOLELY by a vote of the body of members of the electoral college, exactly as specified in Article II, section 1, of the Constitution of the United States of America. The EXACT same way EVERY president since George Washington has been elected--including your beloved "bubba".
2) He was not "selected" by a ruling from SCOTUS as so many of the dim bulbs we're surrounded by assert and bray so loudly each day. The SCOTUS ruled on the admissibility of doing a re-count in _ONLY_ A SELECT FEW HIGH DEMOCRATIC VOTER DISTRICTS as opposed to the whole state. They correctly overruled an absolutely partisan ruling by a lower court--they did not select a president!
3) Florida went through THREE recounts, before the legal challenge was entered. IN ALL THREE, GWB was found to have the wining margin (albeit slim!).
4) AFTER the voting, counting, legal maneuvering, and inaugurating was all over; ALL votes in Florida WERE RECOUNTED numerous times, and given FULL VALUE for every nick, tick, pregnant, hanging, or imagined chad under the full view, auspices, and direct attendance of several hundred of the most scurrilous, savage, and anti-American newspapers and NGO's on the planet. AND IN ALL CASES OF RECOUNTING, George Herbert Walker Bush STILL GOT THE MOST VOTES AND WON FLORIDA! Do you really think that the NYT and its fellow liberal/socialist vermin would have let this go had the outcome been different?
5) The ONLY person that should be pilloried and spat upon is the villainous Albert Gore and his handlers in the AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY. In case it escaped your feeble notice, it was THEY THAT TRIED TO STEAL AN AMERICAN ELECTION!!! It was they that tried to thwart the will of the voters. And it's "useful idiots", and morons like you that keep on proliferating this fiction because you're too dumb to know that you're being led like a sheep...
Now, what part of the preceding is it that you don't understand?
If you don't like, approve, or care for the current system of electing our leaders, then get off your fat-ass and lead the fight to get a constitutional amendment crafted that changes the system to the way *you* want it to work. You don't change the Constitution of the United States by whining about it after the fact! Sheesh!
6) I've been fortunate to have had the opportunity to travel widely. I've been in places where Americans were loved and greeted with kindness and care; and I've been in places where it was best that I use one of the dozen or so other languages I speak. ALL of those instances have been in third-world shitholes where the denizens are as dumb and uninformed as you are. But at least they had an excuse. They existed (barely) under the oppression of religious or totalitarian autocracies, and had to live under a government-imposed agenda. Oddly enough, in 99% of even those places that I had the opportunity to visit, I was treated with kindness and respect. So your jaundiced view that "most" of the world doesn't like us is about as accurate as your grasp of the electoral process.
Regarding some of the less than kind remarks from some of our "foreign" readership, please let me clarify a few things for you as well.
7) Your are correct, American politics can indeed be a circus. But it is our circus and none of your damn business. We don't need any instructions or reminders from monarchists, socialists, elitists, religious zealots, or other various and sundry riff-raff on how to run our damn country. Run your own. Become a model of freedom, liberty, and financial strength. Then let us in on how you did it. Otherwise bugger off!
8) To the British fellow; I don't condone terrorism in any form. I regret that you suffered a loss. You should send a note of "thanks" to the American Democratic party. They controlled our congress during that period of time. Although upstaged of late by liberal judges, it is *they* who are the ones that were supposed to make our laws. Instead, *they* were busy courting your enemies as they rolled out the red carpet to IRA gunmen, using them for photo-ops as if they were visiting dignitaries; instead of making a law to throw the bums out! It was *they* that permitted them to operate here with impunity collecting money for their cause. I can certainly understand how you might feel, as you should understand how we feel now that Islamic crazies get the run of your land to do, as they will.
9) Let me remind our European readership that if it hadn't been for the United States of America and our military and monetary might, your national mottos today would be "Zieg Heil!", to the tune of, "Deutschland Uber Alles", and we wouldn't be having this conversation in English. Either that or you'd be sipping borsht. Since I escaped from such a workers paradise, I 'm not eager for a return engagement. And I'm damn sure gonna resist your intention to press it upon me!
10) Let me further remind you that it was American muscle, money, and workers that fed you, clothed you, and rebuilt your now elitist socialist enclaves from the ashes of where *your* leaders took you in the last century. Without our direct help to you, forgiveness of your unpaid obligations to us, ready market for your goods, and umbrella of protection from communism, some of you would be third-world shitholes just like so much of Asia and Africa, or you'd be working for your daily vodka & borsht ration on the other side of the iron-curtain.
11) This idiotic drum beat of the United States being imperialist warmongers is interesting I wonder where it started. When I was visiting them, I must have missed our flag flying over France, Germany, Italy, GB, Holland, Belgium, or Japan among a hundred other sovereign countries that have benefited from American arms and benevolence in the past. If you'll actually look, you'll find that it's not America that maintains dependent colonies in Africa, South America, and Asia.
To make us look less like imperialists in your eyes, why don't you guys take over in Bosnia? You whine and carp about how we haven't implemented a constitution, elected offices, and a working democracy in Iraq in 4-months, and you clowns can't even clean up that little mess in your own back yard in 4-years--after we've captured and tried their leader! It's a good thing you can take a bus to get there, because you'd have to depend on your French buds for your travel arrangements. They've got these six (now 5) spiffy airplanes. They're faster than all get-out, but they can only carry a couple 'dozen soldiers at once-oh yeah, every once in a while one of 'em augers in. They also have this neat aircraft carrier...you know, the one that's spent 14 of its first 15 years in commission in dry-dock being fixed or repaired or otherwise patched and spackled. It's no wonder you resent our being able to project force to where it's needed. It's cause *your* runny little economies and technologies can't!
As for the war mongering; I probably missed it because I'm sure that your version of reality has the Americans starting WWII by bombing the peaceful Japanese fleet lying at anchor in Tokyo Harbor. Maybe it was really the Americans that bombed England; invaded Poland, France, and Russia after all. I'm sure you can show that we had a hand in snuffing 6-million Jews as well. But whether we did or not, I *do * know that history clearly shows that you simpering weasels did NOTHING! You and your much ballyhooed UN didn't stop the killing of thousands in Sarajevo, and millions in Ruwanda, Cambodia, China or any of the other socialist shitholes you so admire.
I'm sure there are more than a few readers out there that are dumb and uninformed enough to believe that it was the CIA, at the direction of, Dick Chaney, that:
Bombed a US military barracks in Saudi Arabia;
Bombed the USS Cole;
Bombed the WTC in '93;
Flew hijacked airliners into the WTC in '01;
Blew up hotels full of tourists in Bali;
all so that GWB could shine as he led our troops into battle in Afghanistan, and Iraq? We don't need to shine there, that you're alive and around to whine and torment us at all is already tribute to our laurels.
If we waited for you to act as quickly as you did in Bosnia, we'd be picking Islamist nutcases out of the ruins of every skyscraper in America for the next 3-decades while you blathered on and on in that "Kaffee Klatch" you call the UN. I'm damn glad that my country went over there and kicked their butts. I've been in war. I didn't like it a lot. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But if we're gonna have one, then I damn well want it in * their * country, and not mine. It we did it here instead, it would just be more video like the WTC on 9/11.
Maybe *you* think that giving Islamist crazies "another chance" is just peachy but I don't! They're already pissed at us because we're in Saudi Arabia [NB: we didn't invade and conquer them, we're there at the request of the Saudi royal family]; and that we won't give 'em the bulldozers they want, to push Israel into the sea. So who cares if they don't like us. If it makes you feel better, then believe all of that pap you wish to chew.
When the dirt where The Gaza Strip is belonged to Egypt and the West Bank belonged to Jordon, those countries didn't give it to those that claim to be Palestinians either. So now somehow it's America's problem? And they're entitled to hate us for that? Gimme a break!
> If I were France or Germany....I'd say...we'll discuss helping out in Iraq after we see who's going to be running things next year....
Yeah, I'm sure you would. OTOH; they didn't seem to mind "helping out in Iraq" when Saddam was running things. Because with him running the show, they got financial kickbacks and could keep the US pushed out of the game.
> my only 2-cents on the subject...as I like to try and keep things on topic for this group.
If that was 2-cents worth, you should file for a refund!
I'm outta here! DustyB
Thanks
George Herbert Walker Bush was the 41st President of the US from 1989 until 1993. He is a fine man and "W's" daddy.
No, actually , it doesn't. The SCOTUS decision basically said that you can't change the rules in mid stream because the old rules don't suit you. That may be simplistic but that is what it was. To try to tie R v W into this is ludicrous.
Yes, we all, eventually, fall for the cute guy who convices you to do something you know you shouldn't but we are all responsible for our decisions. The fact that some try to take away that responsiblilty is one of the things that is wrong with our world.
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