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To: xzins; John O
However, we're told that God establishes nations to include their exact times and locations. One would think He could be more or less pleased with any one of them.

We are also told that He will bless whom He will, and curse whom He will. He may bless a nation with which He is not pleased (such as Babylon) so that nation will be used as a weapon against a nation which He wishes to discipline (such as Israel). The situation is far too complex to make up magic formulae over (i.e. "We will continue to be strong as long as we bless Israel.").

IMHO: If G-d were going to judge anybody for the U.S. descent into the pit of moral relativism (read "immorality") it would be the Church, every single last denomination, not the government. With some magnificent exceptions, the Church has consistently failed to:

Instead, she has preferred intra-denominational squabbling and modifying the Gospel to suit social norms in an attempt to gain market-share in the pews.

If you want G-d to save America (with apologies to FReeper John O.), pray that He will restore the Church. Shalom.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 7:54:26 AM PDT by ArGee (Hey, how did I get in this handcart? And why is it so hot?)
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To: ArGee
There is little about your admonition to the church that I would disagree with.

However, it is nonetheless true that God views some nations more positively than others, and that He causes nations to rise and fall.

15 posted on 09/10/2003 8:29:51 AM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: ArGee; xzins
I agree entirely. (And no apologies needed for asking God to save America.)

Our condition is the church's fault:

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Note that He says "MY PEOPLE". We, as Christians, have the responsibility to pray and seek his face for our land. We have not consistently done so.

But in some of our churches that is changing. We are now actively seeking God's blessing for our country in at least the church I attend.

26 posted on 09/10/2003 9:50:13 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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