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All Soldiers Will Be Fighters in the New Army
NY Times ^ | September 4, 2003 | ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 09/07/2003 10:44:18 AM PDT by Prodigal Son

FORT MONROE, Va., Sept. 4 — The Army is looking to instill the fighting spirit in some unlikely combatants — its cooks, mechanics and other support troops who are normally far from the front lines.

Unlike the Marine Corps, whose credo is that every marine is first and foremost a rifleman, the Army has too many soldiers who have lost touch with their inner warrior, said Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, the Army's top training general.

And, he said, it is time the Army borrowed a lesson from the Marines.

"We've become too specialized," said General Byrnes, the head of Training and Doctrine Command here. "Ask a junior enlisted who they are, and they'll tell you, `I'm a mechanic,' not I'm a soldier. We need to change that culturally in the Army."

So beginning next year for soldiers and in three years for officers, the Army plans to formally inculcate what it calls a "warrior ethos" throughout the ranks.

Army officials are not worried about the battle-readiness of their front-line fighting ranks, like infantry and armor troops. But for support troops, many of whom rarely handle a weapon or drill for combat after basic training, the strategy will probably mean more marksmanship practice, tougher physical training and, for officers, more small-unit leadership skills in the field.

The issue of instilling a combat mindset in troops working behind the lines has taken on added resonance since the ambush of an Army supply convoy in Iraq in March that resulted in the deaths of 11 Americans and the capture of Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch and six other soldiers.

Although the soldiers had completed basic training, they were mostly cooks, mechanics and other support personnel who had little or no combat experience.

But Army officials here said that emphasizing a warrior mentality throughout the ranks had been under way for 18 months as leaders in the Pentagon designed a force for the future that would be agile as well as lethal, and prepared to fight on a battlefield, like Iraq, without traditional front lines and rear areas.

Under plans General Byrnes discussed with reporters here, freshly commissioned second lieutenants would take a new six-week basic leadership course after receiving their commission. Eighty percent of that leadership training would take place in the field.

Officers would then go on to training in their specialized areas, like infantry, armor or intelligence, as they do now after they receive their commissions.

General Byrnes said four pilot programs had been conducted at Fort Benning, Ga., to test the concept for officers and proved successful enough that the training for new officers Army-wide would begin in early 2006. Similarly, the warrior mindset will be included in enlisted soldiers' nine-week basic training courses and their speciality training after that, beginning next year. Support troops could be tested on marksmanship twice a year, like infantry soldiers, instead of annually, as they are now.

In some ways that new emphasis has started. Training instructors in Aberdeen, Md., recite the individual citations from Medal of Honor recipients to inspire recruits. Officials here said the new credo for all soldiers is "put the mission first, refuse to accept defeat, never quit and never leave behind a fellow American."

Maj. Gen. Raymond D. Barrett Jr., a top aide to General Byrnes, said the change meant that support troops would still have physical training requirements, but they might include going through obstacle courses under stressful conditions simulating a combat setting.

Or a mechanic might pass a final advanced training course by repairing an armored vehicle damaged during a mock ambush at night and under simulated hostile conditions.

"The question is, do they think they feel like a soldier?" General Barrett said. "This would test them as mechanics, but it would also test their perseverance."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 507th; army; fortmonroe; military; soldiers; transformation; warriors
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To: tophat9000
Yeah, that struck me as funny too.
41 posted on 09/07/2003 4:06:01 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
"The question is, do they think they feel like a soldier?"

Feelings?? Fastest way to a body bag. Or did I miss something at NonCom school?

42 posted on 09/07/2003 4:22:56 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA - Bring 'em home, or send us back! Semper Fi)
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To: Restorer
I thoght the war was over in Europe of Dec 1945.

The only thing he had to fight off was the Frauliens.

Could you possibly have met DEC 1944?

43 posted on 09/07/2003 8:48:36 PM PDT by dts32041 ("Moderate Arab" he's the one who detonates his bomb via remote control.)
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To: g'nad
That is why it it on the USMC reading list for the young enlisted.

I know I gave up my copy to a kid leaving for the corps tomorrow.

44 posted on 09/07/2003 8:51:37 PM PDT by dts32041 ("Moderate Arab" he's the one who detonates his bomb via remote control.)
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To: Prodigal Son
I will have to get down to the bookstore and add it to the pile...

You're gonna enjoy it.

45 posted on 09/07/2003 8:58:36 PM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
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To: Gamecock
Just what does the CIB symbolize?
Do tank drivers ever get the CIB?
Do combat MPs ever get the CIB?
46 posted on 09/07/2003 9:20:06 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
Combat Infantryman's Badge.

No.

No (not that I'm aware).

It is reserved for 11 Series MOS- Infantry only. There aint but one way to get it either- although many general officers have been known to fly into the 'combat zone' for a short time from the Pentagon to get theirs (and then they fly away again).

To the civilian, it's just a badge on the uniform. But to an infantryman, it's a career. It says loud and clear that "I have seen the elephant".

It's a rifle (silver) over a blue background with a wreath around it. It's worn on the left breast above all other awards. On BDUs it's subdued in black. There is an EIB as well (Expert Infantryman's Badge) and it is the same except without the wreath. It is awarded for proficiency decided through a series of about 30 tests/tasks that the infantryman performs at expert level. Not quite as esteemed as the CIB- but you don't have to get shot at to get it either.

If you're an infantry officer, you really ought to have one or the other. You get to Major without at least an EIB and every pair of boots in the line companies knows you screwed the pooch every time you went to test. And this is easy for an officer to do because it's always EMs and NCOs doing the grading on the tests ;-)

47 posted on 09/07/2003 9:42:23 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Jeff Gordon
BTW, next time you watch a Pentagon or CENTCOM briefing, and it's an Army officer giving the brief look at his left breast- you might see it if the officer is infantry. It's fairly conspicuous on the dress uniform (it's above his stack of medals) and it sticks out fairly well on the desert BDU too.
48 posted on 09/07/2003 9:47:03 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Thanks for the info on the CIB.
49 posted on 09/07/2003 11:12:56 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Cobra64
"Yup. Let the contractors do the non-combatant light lifting. Why run cook, mechanic, clerk types, etc through combat training; and then assign them to peeling potatoes, ladling soup, changing HumVee oil and shuffling papers"

I dissagree totally....

do you have any idea how much civilian employees would cost?.....with unions?....with the present day civil service program, the potato peelers would make out better than the tank drivers...

even if the jobs were given to the best bidder, it would still be prohibitive and you know how slimy these generals and contractors can be....

besides...a combatant should be able to do all things necessary for his and the team's welfare....cooking, sewing, building, fixing, etc...

50 posted on 09/07/2003 11:23:38 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Jeff Gordon
The CIB is the Combat Infantry Badge. It is awarded to soldiers in the Infantry involved in direct contact with the enemy.

It is only awarded to soldiers in the Infanty/Special Forces.

Click here for more info!

http://www.americal.org/awards/cib.htm

BTW: Medics have a similar award, the Combat Medical Badge
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/cmb.html
51 posted on 09/08/2003 4:41:17 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why TULIP? Because the Bible teaches it as the inspired word of The One Holy Sovereign God!)
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To: Prodigal Son
If they can do this it will multiply their force, as in when the shiite hits the fan they can draw on the cooks and mechanics to fill in.

The problem is what to do with all those female soldiers.

52 posted on 09/08/2003 5:03:40 AM PDT by LibKill (Will club baby seals for the heck of it.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Re your Post #21...

I think you just about covered it!

53 posted on 09/08/2003 8:25:10 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Whoa, dude! You nailed it.
54 posted on 09/08/2003 8:31:27 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: dts32041; Congressman Billybob
Actually, I was replying to Congressman Billybob and poking fun that he misstated that his uncle was 30 miles behind the German lines with his support unit, rather than 30 miles behind the American lines. But I didn't notice the date mistake!

Good catch.
55 posted on 09/08/2003 9:25:57 AM PDT by Restorer (Never let schooling interfere with your education.)
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To: Prodigal Son
They should just make every single Army recruit go through Parris Island.
56 posted on 09/08/2003 9:29:52 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Restorer
Yep, you're both right. Berlin fell and WW II ended in Europe in May, 1945. I'm glad my uncle was a lot better at handling troops than I am at handling a computer keyboard.

Billybob / John

57 posted on 09/08/2003 9:58:02 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; time to act on it. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Prof Engineer; Prodigal Son
I've read, re-read, and read that book again. In fact, my first copy was so beat up I bought a new one and made the old one my platoon's copy to be read by new privates. Excellent book.
58 posted on 09/08/2003 10:06:50 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailback; g'nad
bought a new one and made the old one my platoon's copy to be read by new privates. Excellent book.

I've read nearly all of Heinlein's work, but this book stands out above all. He was an amazing writer, and patriot.

BTW - Humblegunner has "This I believe" on his profile.

59 posted on 09/08/2003 10:17:29 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - Blast it Jim. I'm an Engineer, not a walking dictionary.)
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To: Tailback; Prof Engineer
Thanks to both of you for the recommend. It's one of those crazy things. I like sci-fi and have always meant to read the book but have never gotten around to it somehow. I think I must make time now though after hearing so many good things about it and hearing it referenced so often ;-)
60 posted on 09/08/2003 11:16:46 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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