'Jesus Christ' banned at town hall

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, August 26, 2003

[JohnHuang2]

Council members in a South Carolina town can no longer mention the name of Jesus Christ or another specific deity in their prayers during meetings.

The federal court ruling referred to a case brought by a Wiccan high priestess in Great Falls, the local Chester County Herald reported.

Darla Kaye Wynne, a Great Falls resident, claimed in her suit the town violated the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution by using the name of Jesus Christ in prayers offered before or after meetings, the paper said.

Great Falls Mayor H.C. "Speedy" Starnes, Jr., pointed out praying in Jesus' name has been the practice "ever since we've had a council."

The town was incorporated in 1968.

The ruling said Wynne proposed in late 2000 that members of different religions be invited to lead prayers or that they be limited only to mentioning "God," according to the Herald.

The council adopted new rules in June, including a provision stating prayers could refer to a specific deity but no one would be required to participate.

U.S. District Court Judge Cameron McGowan Currie's decision, however, stated the council is barred from "invoking the name of a specific deity associated with any one specific faith or belief in prayers given at Town Council meetings ... ."

Mayor Starnes said the town plans to appeal the ruling, the South Carolina paper reported.

"We're certainly disappointed in the decision, but we will comply," he said.

The council's stance has received support from several local churches and ministers. Some letters noted church members opposed allowing "an alternative prayer to a self-proclaimed 'witch,'" the court document said.

Wiccans practice a nature-based, neo-pagan religion rooted in pre-Christian traditions, according to www.magicwicca.com.

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[JohnHuang2]

Tuesday, August 26, 2003

Quote of the Day ~by backhoe

[Paleo Conservative]

Anyone want to take bets on when a prayer to Alla will be made at the town hall?

[Paleo Conservative]

Anyone want to take bets on when a prayer to Alla will be made at the town hall?

[yhwhsman]

I may be a fool, but I ain't that big a fool.

[Tactical]

What the .....? Look folks, I don't know about you, but I am tired of some twits interpretation of the Consitution to deny me my right of free speech.

On top of that, I don't much care for any one person or small group of persons being able to stop other groups from displaying a manger scene at Christmas time in the city park, or offer a prayer to protect youths at schools or something along that line. I don't expect everyone to participate, but I do expect everyone to respect everyone else. Time for some modifications around this country.

Look if you don't like something, don't go to that event, or just ignore it. People have got to get over this being offended crap and realize America is made up of all kinds of people. And we Americans have made the USA successful by trying to get along with each other. I respect you, you respect me. This bullsh#t of whining their way through the court system is getting old real quick these days!

This is crap folks, and I am at the point where we need to go back to the old lifestyle of "MAJORITY RULES"! Get along or get lost.

Screw that one guy that got offended! He's offending me now and I don't much care for his "oneness" having the ability to change my country over his unreasonable views on things. Let alone making it so I can't do something my Constitution says I can do. What happened to the government NOT being able to stop me from celebrating my religion? Now I find I am offending someone out there by having my beliefs. Well tough sh#tsky dude, do I get to sue you because you are now offending me and shut you up?Last time I looked, the court system and judges are part of this government, but nowhere does it say in the Consitution that courts can make laws to make something illegal or legal. I'd just love for some judge to be able to point out to me the section on separation of chruch and state. They can't, they had to make it up. Sorry judge, that's unConstitutional!

It's getting to be the "Us against them" feeling, and I'd be willing to bet not many Americans like it being this way. I sure don't. I don't want the pendulum to swing too far, either way, just folks better start trying to work things out before some kind of riots or something breaks out.

That's a spooky thought, but I bet I'm not the first guy to have wondered if this stuff is going too far

[Agnostic]

I think this is crazy. What do they want? A bloomin' Tower of Babel where every nut prays to his/her God?

[nickcarraway]

Wow, this town must have NO problems if they are worrying about something like this. It must be a paradise.

[goldstategop]

Let's just pray to God and the Goddess. Problem of praying to Jesus only solved.

[NRA2BFree]

Jesus Christ to Darla Kaye Wynne:

"I can't mention your name in Heaven. It's not in the Lamb's Book of Life."

[drlevy88]

... unless uttered as a swear word OF COURSE.

[Oreo Kookey]

"This is crap folks, and I am at the point where we need to go back to the old lifestyle of "MAJORITY RULES"! "

I was shocked when I read this in you piece. Please
go back and report the differences between a
Constitutional Republic, which America is, and
a Democracy, which America is not. The
"MAJORITY DOES NOT RULE", and that is
by no accident.

[.30Carbine]

"We're certainly disappointed in the decision, but we will comply," he said.

In other words, "We cede our innate, individual, personal Authority to rule our own lives according to our conscience, to the authority of the State. They know best. We choose to cower like slaves rather than to think like free men."

Rose Wilder Lane said it this way in her greatest work, The Discovery of Freedom:

If Americans ever forget that American Government is not permitted to restrain or coerce any peaceful individual without his free consent, if Americans ever regard their use of their natural liberty as granted to them by the men in Washington or in the capitals of the States, then this third attempt* to establish the exercise of human rights on earth is ended.

Governments do not have Authority. Individuals do. The only power governments have is FORCE. If governments have superior force they can infringe upon natural human rights, but they can never take those rights away.

Individual human rights are ceded to governments only by individual human capitulation.

More from the pen of Lane:

Government always derives its power (to use force) from the consent of the governed. But use of force is not control. No living ruler has ever actually controlled his subjects. There is no superhuman power in Government; men in Government have no natural nor Divine superiority to any other man. And no man can control another. No possible use of force can compel any individual to act. A use of force upon him can only hinder, restrict, or stop his acting.

Responsibility-evading citizens in this Republic, if they become numerous enough, can wreck the Republic, the Revolution, and the whole modern world. But not one of them can evade responsibility. Each one will be responsible.

[mhking]

Council members in a South Carolina town can no longer mention the name of Jesus Christ or another specific deity in their prayers during meetings.

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

[OpusatFR]

Does this witch have a IRS exemption to income tax?

How can she claim to be an organized religion if she doesn't have recognition?

[Jimmy Valentine]

"Preacher Cotton Mather please call your office"

Regards,

[autoresponder]

The United States Supreme Court has the 10 Commandments displayed in their building.

The US Congress opens all sessions with a prayer from a chaplain.

Federal, state, and local courts use the bible to swear in witnesses unless they object and then they require an afirmation.

State legislatures have chaplains.
This federal judge and the ACLU are attempting and succeeding in banning an opening invocation in local city hall meetings what America's federal state and local courts and federal and state legistlatures do.

The camel's nose is under the tent.

The question is whether the United State Supreme Court will now order the destruction and/or reoval of the 10 Commandments from their own federal building and also ban chaplains and invocations before all of their sessions.

That is the ultimate agenda of the anti-Christ anti-religion ACLU and this wicca scum.

The US Supreme Court refused to hear the Alabama 10 Commandments appeals of Chief Jusice Moore and allowed the Alabama Justices to order the removal of the 10 Commandments from Alabama state property.

We now have a SCOTUS that daily offends this wicca and this federal judge but reuses to hear a court case which they themselves are at odds with in their own actions.

We do not hear of the US Supreme Court banning chaplains or opening prayers or invocations of the US Congress.

Now if SCOTUS refuses to hear these religious cases, will our US Congress now empeach, convict, and remove this federal judge that has ruled against a local city council and for this wicca and the ACLU?

The hypocrisy continues.

The end game is to remove the words "in the year of our Lord" from the last paragraph of the United States Constitution.

Then the American Civil Liberties Union, European court precedents, and United States Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg will rule the United States of America.

This started with the 2nd Ammendment and now Ginsberg and the ACLU bow and rule using European law and court precedents regarding homosexual legistlation on the state level.

The question is not whether you personally are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or wicca.

The question is how federal and state courts and legistlatures can prempt what local and state government does in the exact same way that they themselves do everyday.

There can be only one standard.

It appears it is that of the ACLU, atheists, and wicca today.

The cowards refuse to act.

By default the enemy has won.

Citizens, the ball is now in your court.

Will you act?

[Rodm]

Dare to be a Daniel!
The Freedom of Speech may cost you.

[savedbygrace]

Even in a Constitutional Republic, the majority rules --- the majority of representatives. However, what we have now in large part is judicial tyranny, not a republic.

[Aquinasfan]

The federal court ruling referred to a case brought by a Wiccan high priestess...

If this is happening in SC, we're in big trouble.