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PROMISES: RJR rejects Dole's quota-buyout plan
Winston Salem Journal ^ | 8/24/03 | David Rice

Posted on 08/24/2003 7:34:47 PM PDT by billbears

A buyout of federal tobacco quotas would infuse at least $4 billion into North Carolina's rural economy, sending money to rural landowners. But that money has to come from somewhere.

Officials at North Carolina's largest tobacco company say that by backing legislation to charge cigarette-makers an 'assessment' to pay for the quota buyout, Republican U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole is breaking with the spirit, if not the letter, of her campaign pledge not to support tax increases.

'This appears to be a classic bait and switch,' said Tommy Payne, the senior vice president for external relations at R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.

'Campaign on a promise of no new taxes, yet when elected, aggressively endorse a $13 billion tax increase, which is the largest tax increase put before Congress since 1993,' Payne said.

'The comments through the campaign were reduce - not raise - taxes, save - not eliminate - manufacturing jobs in our state, and smaller - not larger - government regulation and bureaucracy,' he said. Despite savings on leaf costs and payments that tobacco companies already make to farmers, Payne said, the quota-buyout bill would cost Reynolds more than $2 billion over six years - $413 million in its first year.

'That's 83 to 89 percent of our projected earnings this year,' he said. 'There was no campaign pledge to take all the earnings of publicly traded companies which employ thousands and give it to folks, the vast majority of whom aren't farmers.

(Excerpt) Read more at journalnow.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: dole; giddy; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; taxgrab; tobacco
Don't know if this paper is on the list or not so I err on the side of safeness and post an excerpt.
1 posted on 08/24/2003 7:34:48 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Howlin; azhenfud; Constitution Day; mykdsmom; NCSteve; JohnnyZ; AppyPappy
John Hood, the president of the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh, agrees - though he says that it is not clear how much of the cost tobacco companies would pass along to smokers.

'It's called an assessment, but it is a tax. The only legitimate debate is what kind of tax it is. It can be considered a tax on RJR ... or it can be considered a tax on consumers,' Hood said.

'This is a corporate-income tax,' he said. 'If you treat this tax as a tax on corporate income, then it would appear to be a violation of the no-tax pledge.'

Bump with no comment. I shouldn't have to. Although I wonder how this is going to 'help' those in the tobacco industry

2 posted on 08/24/2003 7:38:50 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Maybe the question should be, does anyone care? I mean, we've got a 'conservative' in office so everything should be just a-okay. Sun shining brighter, grass greener, except over Winston-Salem. But it's just tobacco, it's only one of the largest, if not the largest, industry in this state. Guess Giddy is 'helping' the good folks all around this nation of states to quit smoking by pushing up the price of cigarettes. Like she all 'helped' us wear our seat belts, huh?

As for the extra costs that Reynolds and other tobacco companies would face, Easley said that he suspects that the companies would treat them as they did the cost of a $206 billion settlement between the industry and 46 states in 1998.

'I think the additional cost would be passed on to the consumer, just like the tobacco settlement was,' Easley told reporters.

And tax and spend Easley agrees with her!!! Yep, that does it for me. She's 'conservative'

3 posted on 08/24/2003 7:44:06 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
The real reason for the excerpt was to keep Dole's response from having any sort of prominence on the post, now wasn't it?
4 posted on 08/24/2003 7:45:17 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
'It is either now - or never,' Dole said in her floor speech. 'Many livelihoods hang in the balance, and with it the future of rural communities in North Carolina and other tobacco-producing states. These rural citizens ... have been caught in a battle between corporate interests, some greedy trial lawyers, and those whose true desire is to ban tobacco from the face of the earth.'

There's her response. Does it make me feel any better? No. I truly wasn't sure if this paper was owned by one of the ones we weren't supposed to post full articles.

Doesn't change the fact she says nothing that refutes the corporate representative or the gentleman from the Locke Foundation now does it? Her own actions will ban tobacco from the 'face of the earth' by putting the tobacco industry out of business with this 'assessment'

5 posted on 08/24/2003 7:48:31 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; Constitution Day; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ...
NC Ping!!
6 posted on 08/24/2003 7:52:52 PM PDT by mykdsmom
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To: billbears
Well, I guess I'm proven correct by your continued selective excerpts. You and your ilk lied about Dole all during the campaign, and now your lies continue. Your Clinton-boy Erskine lost, get over it.

For those actually caring about the facts, I suggest you click to read the full article, so you won't miss out on portions of the article like this that Mr. Billbears is deliberately omitting and hoping you won't read, such as this one:

"Chuck Fuller, a founding director of Citizens for a Sound Economy, an anti-tax group with a North Carolina chapter, takes a different view.

Cigarette-makers will save money on the tobacco they buy, provided they buy enough domestic leaf. 'This is revenue-neutral, because of the lower cost that's available to the companies for tobacco,' Fuller said."

No Senator of any party is going to oppose this bill that is from a tobacco state, if they want any hope of maintaining credibility with their constituents. Singling out Dole, even if you disagree with this bill, is simply disengenious.
7 posted on 08/24/2003 7:53:27 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Well, I guess I'm proven correct by your continued selective excerpts. You and your ilk lied about Dole all during the campaign, and now your lies continue. Your Clinton-boy Erskine lost, get over it.

LOL!! Do you think I would ever have voted for Bowles or Clinton? You've lost it. And perhaps you missed this

Payne disputes such contentions. Even if the price of domestic tobacco falls by 50 cents a pound, he said, Reynolds would save just $25 million a year. 'They could give us almost 30years of free tobacco and it wouldn't offset the cost of this tax,' he said. Democratic politicians from the state, meanwhile, continue to push for a quota buyout.

Democrats in this state, lately at least (past 20 years) only know how to do one thing, and that's take money. If a Democrat that has a tendency to spend agrees this is a good idea, you can bet your rear end they're going to get something out of it.

But you keep voting for the RINOs okay? Somebody sure as h#ll has to...

8 posted on 08/24/2003 7:58:35 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
I'm in favor of just about anything that will end ongoing subsidies/artificial quotas.
9 posted on 08/24/2003 8:04:06 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I don't know but I been told - Eskimo ***** is mighty cold - Tastes good - Mm good)
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BTTT
10 posted on 08/24/2003 10:20:28 PM PDT by Fraulein (TCB)
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To: JohnnyZ
I'm in favor of just about anything that will end ongoing subsidies/artificial quotas.

At the possibility of causing even higher prices on tobacco, more taxes on RJR, and a loss of jobs for the 'assessment' that can't be passed off to the unsuspecting public? I'm not

If it were to truly do away with subsidies and artificial quotas I wouldn't have a problem with it. But with the tobacco industry being attacked by the federal government (breaking yet another of the great W's campaign promises) they need to get help from somewhere

11 posted on 08/25/2003 5:06:05 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
A few years down the road and we'll be either importing raw tobacco to make cigarettes or importing the cigarettes from the overseas operations of the cigarette manufacturers we run out of business here.
12 posted on 08/25/2003 5:13:29 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: billbears; All
BTW, has anyone noticed an increase in grapevine production in the northern Piedmont? Seems like I'm seeing more and more small vineyards sprouting up. Funded by Tobacco buyout money?
13 posted on 08/25/2003 5:15:13 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
More than likely funded by the settlement money. From what I understand, NC has found a way around the system and is putting a lot of it back into the tobacco industry. Like it's going to help much after a move like this
14 posted on 08/25/2003 5:40:44 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
At the possibility of causing even higher prices on tobacco, more taxes on RJR, and a loss of jobs for the 'assessment' that can't be passed off to the unsuspecting public?

It does seem to me that there should be a solution that would avoid those consequences.

15 posted on 08/25/2003 6:16:10 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (I don't know but I been told - Eskimo ***** is mighty cold - Tastes good - Mm good)
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To: Rebelbase; billbears
BTW, has anyone noticed an increase in grapevine production in the northern Piedmont? Seems like I'm seeing more and more small vineyards sprouting up. Funded by Tobacco buyout money?

RB, it was interesting that you mentioned, that because I read this article at lunchtime:

Tobacco Farmers Turn To Past For New Future
As Tobacco Farming Hits Hard Times, Grape Growing Picks Up

The article doesn't really mention any funding, but I thought I'd post the link as an FYI.

CD

16 posted on 08/25/2003 12:26:03 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Thanks for the link CD. There is one portion of west Forsyth county that looks like it could be in California, rolling hills on both sides of the road covered with grape vines.
17 posted on 08/25/2003 5:45:35 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
To be honest, my father and I have talked about planting more grapes here on my grandmother's farm, where I live.

He has some vines already and has been making homemade wine from Scuppernong & James grapes for years, but only to give away of course.

However, he says he's too old [at 58] to get involved in that as a business. I am trying to talk him into it. ;)

18 posted on 08/25/2003 6:05:12 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Republican Wildcat; billbears
Cigarette-makers will save money on the tobacco they buy, provided they buy enough domestic leaf. 'This is revenue-neutral, because of the lower cost that's available to the companies for tobacco,' Fuller said."

Well, well, well. Let's see, RJR's net, fluid worth is something over $500 million. Their share of the first installment of Liddy and John's big adventure comes to something just under $700 million. Gee, RJR can make their first payment and file the chapter thirteen paperwork on the same day!

Why do people seem to think just because some goober crawled out of the woodwork and joined the CSE, that they necessarily have a clue?

This quota buyout is nothing more than a vote-buying expedition down east. Why do you think Sleasly and the Breck Girl jumped on the bandwagon so fast? Sure didn't take Liddy long to figure that one out, did it?

The only groups that will survive this buyout are corporate farmers and the wildcat tobacco companies. And just like the hurricane Floyd handout, no one but a bunch of down-east hard-core Democrats will see a dime's worth of benefit from it. Oh yeah, and Liddy will reap bigtime benefit with her true constituency

Let's see now. Liddy's already proven she's a statist. Now she's adding unapologetic redistributionism to her bag of tricks. Statism? Redistributionism? Why, I do declare, I believe Mrs. Dole just might be a Marxist!

19 posted on 08/26/2003 5:08:12 AM PDT by NCSteve
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