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Posted on 08/19/2003 5:05:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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If you give someone a needle to shoot heroin, can they sue you later?
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posted on
08/19/2003 5:05:43 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
To: AppyPappy
Is there any reason that makes sense that one needs a prescription for needle and syringe but can buy insulin over the counter?
No, is the correct answer.
We would do exactly what harm by allowing needles and syringes to be purchased without prescription?
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posted on
08/19/2003 5:22:50 AM PDT
by
RJCogburn
("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
To: RJCogburn
You didn't answer my question. If you can sue a cigarette company, why can't you sue a guy who gives you a needle for shotting heroin?
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posted on
08/19/2003 5:29:41 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: RJCogburn
When you take up your new digs in free-state NH, you can open a "Mainline Express" outlet and sell all the fixins' without a prescription. I am sure we will all be astounded at how this simple change in approach will magically transform junkies into honest, responsible, clear-minded, disciplined shoppers, taxpayers, and drug consumers. Tens of thousands of liberty-loving junkies from across the country will flock to your shop, swelling the free-state libertarian population of NH to a Randian critical mass.
New England was originally settled by pilgrims and puritans seeking liberty from statist monarchists. Four hundred years later, New England is about to be re-settled by pro-porn, pro-drugs, pro-sodomy libertarians seeking liberty from statist WODists. Call it the "Second Great Awakening."
Brings a tear to my eye, it does.
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posted on
08/19/2003 5:47:14 AM PDT
by
Kevin Curry
(Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
To: RJCogburn
Tony and Jack, two former heroin addicts who also declined to give their last names, watched Daniels from a curb across the street. Both said that when they were on heroin, if they were desperate, they would use old needles or share them. "If you've got to cut the vein and find some way to pour it in there, you're going to get it in there," Tony said.
Jack was lucky. He kicked the habit two years ago and didn't turn up HIV positive. But Tony suffers from full-blown AIDS, which he caught from an infected needle.
Anyone who thinks heroin junkies behave rationally doesn't know any heroin junkies. When they need a fix, they might not wait to stand in line at the local Safeway buying 2 for 1 syringes with their Club Cards.
But, sure, by all means, let's buy syringes over the counter. The junkies won't be the ones buying them, but the enterprising heroin dealer just found another, legal, profit center! As a matter of fact, he/she might just get into the lucrative business of medical sales and give up heroin dealing altogether.
As for the rest of us, you never know when a syringe will come in handy. I mean, I just might want to inject blue dye into the yolk of an egg without cracking the shell. Makes a great conversation starter at breakfast....
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posted on
08/19/2003 5:51:55 AM PDT
by
freebilly
(My junkie kid is an honor student at PS 189....)
To: freebilly
When they need a fix, they might not wait to stand in line at the local Safeway buying 2 for 1 syringes with their Club Cards.LOL!
The libertarian conceit assumes everyone will behave rationally in the absence of external controls and laws. That includes junkies. There are no addictions is a libertarian free state--just responsible casual indulgences. It is the law--not the substance consumed--that destroy bodies and souls.
But you are right. A junkie will scrounge a used syringe and needle from a dumpster or gutter and use them before he will walk into a shop fifty feet away where syringes are sold without a prescription and pay fifty cents for them unused. Having used them, he will drop them in the dirt and the next junkie will spy them and use them. And so on, and so on.
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posted on
08/19/2003 6:11:42 AM PDT
by
Kevin Curry
(Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
To: Kevin Curry
Yes but heroin addicts are just like us. Heroin is safe. It's just a random coincidence that they will risk death by using a used needle.
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posted on
08/19/2003 6:17:13 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: freebilly; *Wod_list; jmc813
When they need a fix, they might not wait to stand in line at the local Safeway buying 2 for 1 syringes with their Club Cards. Some will and some won't. And where's the downside---who is deterred from heroin use only by the unavailability of clean needles?
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posted on
08/19/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT
by
MrLeRoy
(The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
To: MrLeRoy
who is deterred from heroin use only by the unavailability of clean needles?Personally, I'm in favor of over the counter smack as well as syringes. Let's see Darwin's Theory in action....
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posted on
08/19/2003 11:28:13 AM PDT
by
freebilly
To: freebilly
A casino on every corner
A brothel next door
My brother is a junkie
My sister is a whore
My uncle plays with Jimmy
And Jimmy's only one
O isn't life here really grand
As a Libertarian!
To: freebilly
I support zoning laws and laws against child abuse.
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posted on
08/19/2003 11:39:09 AM PDT
by
MrLeRoy
(The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
To: MrLeRoy
I'm actually in favor of ending the WOD. I think people should be allowed the freedom to make the stupidest decisions in the world. I don't want to pay for the WOD or for the consequences of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, addiction to gambling, pornography, tobacco use, gay sex, straight sex, or any other addiction to stupidity.
Unfortunately, we've got idiots in office who believe we must spend money funding social programs for those who messed up their lives with their own behaviors and then claim they're victims of society.
I will support the legalization of drugs, prostitution, etc, etc, when all social programs are cut for "addicts" or "victims" of society. Until then, I'm just content to toss loaded phrases into these Libertarian threads. It's like hollering "Fire!" in the proverbial crowded theater. It makes for great sound and fury and signifies nothing....
To: freebilly
I will support the legalization of drugs, prostitution, etc, etc, when all social programs are cut for "addicts" or "victims" of society.Do you support banning alcohol because social programs benefit alcohol abusers? If not, why not?
Using one violation of rights (in this case, taxpayer-funded welfare) to justify another violation of rights (in this case, the War On Some Drugs) is not a conservative argument.
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posted on
08/19/2003 1:16:53 PM PDT
by
MrLeRoy
(The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
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posted on
08/19/2003 1:35:44 PM PDT
by
jmc813
(Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
To: MrLeRoy
I deal in reality, not theoretical BS. Do I drink? No. Do I give a rat's a$$ about people who do? No. Do I want alcohol to be outlawed. I don't care, but it's easier to leave things as they are than to change them because Libertarians wave the "it's not fair" flag.
Life ain't fair. Are drug users' "rights" violated while "alcohol" users' rights are not? Probably. Big deal.
Does this make me a statist? No, it makes me a realist. I reserve to be selective in the fights I pick with Big Brother.
To: RJCogburn
"We would do exactly what harm by allowing needles and syringes to be purchased without prescription?"And bongs. Don't forget bongs.
To: MrLeRoy; freebilly
"to justify another violation of rights (in this case, the War On Some Drugs)"What rights are being violated, and who says so? You?
Sorry, you're entitled to your own opinions but not your oswn facts. The courts have ruled the CSA to be constitutional.
So, freebilly is taking a perfectly conservative position in wanting to end social programs, especially if they would be supporting drug users.
To: freebilly
I will support the legalization of drugs, prostitution, etc, etc, when all social programs are cut for "addicts" or "victims" of society.Do you support banning alcohol because social programs benefit alcohol abusers? If not, why not?
Do I want alcohol to be outlawed. I don't care
So you care about paying for social programs only when drugs other than alcohol are involved. Why is that?
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posted on
08/20/2003 11:43:38 AM PDT
by
MrLeRoy
(The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
To: robertpaulsen
"to justify another violation of rights (in this case, the War On Some Drugs)"What rights are being violated
The right to "unobstructed action according to our own will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others" (Thomas Jefferson).
So, freebilly is taking a perfectly conservative position in wanting to end social programs, especially if they would be supporting drug users.
I also support ending social programs---what I oppose is using existing social programs as an excuse for other violations of rights.
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posted on
08/20/2003 11:46:43 AM PDT
by
MrLeRoy
(The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
To: MrLeRoy
So you care about paying for social programs only when drugs other than alcohol are involved. Why is that?Got to draw a line somewhere. The camel's nose is already under the tent. I don't want anymore of him getting in, but if you think you're gonna get that portion of him out of the tent that's already in then you're crazy.
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