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Well, the socailist and communist countries are the ones that clamped down on their economies not allowing trade with outside countries. It may have helped (or seemed to help) in the short term, but in the end these countries collapsed economically. The same thing will happen to the chicoms, who are even better at hiding what's really going on with their economy (I don't trust those 8% growth figures, I bet they're really half of that).

Getting govt involved, dictating terms of how people ought to act, buy goods, live is patently socialistic, nay communist.

Well, the socailist and communist countries are the ones that clamped down on their economies not allowing trade with outside countries.

The socialist Communist nations did not allow their citizens to pursue capitalist means in their economies. they continued to trade and had absolutely no tariffs.

It may have helped (or seemed to help) in the short term, but in the end these countries collapsed economically.

I do not admit it even seemed to help let alone helped because I have studied the history of the Twentieth Century.

The same thing will happen to the chicoms, who are even better at hiding what's really going on with their economy (I don't trust those 8% growth figures, I bet they're really half of that).

The problem is these types of regimes do not like to go down peacefully. I note China has adopted some capitalist measures but the mentality of the regime there is still very much totalitarian and the nation itself is still very authoritarian. Will they go down I hope so the question is how much damage will they inflict in doing so.

Getting govt involved, dictating terms of how people ought to act, buy goods, live is patently socialistic, nay communist.

Agreed that is why I oppose such measures tariffs are however a tool for protecting the Free Market with the the juridiction of the USA from criminal and predatory activities by those not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. In short tariffs are the tax that is paid for the privledge of importing goods to the USA. There is no Constitutional right to import goods services or people to the United States of America. See Article I of the US Constitution.

I strongly support a Free Market I do not strongly support the government subsidies, of the current trade system and that means any government subsidy not just a subsidy by the US government. Tariffs provide isolation from the foreign subsidies (For example see airbus or just about any industry in China). Adam Smith the intellectual father of Free market theory posited that tariffs are justified in four circumstance including national defense and retaliation to name two of the four. Now since one of the tenets of Marxism as practiced in the twentieth Century I find your association of tariffs with taht abomination offensive in the extreme. I presume you would call Alexander Hamilton a Marxist because you disagree with his stand on tariffs.

Getting govt involved, dictating terms of how people ought to act, buy goods, live is patently socialistic, nay communist.

What you say is true,but protecting a peoples ability to achieve and maintain economic independence isnt communism.Countries that fail economically usually do so by ignoring common sense practices.Creating a level playing field for the whole world will be to the detriment of those who live in wealthy nations.Certainly not common sense.