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Schwarzenegger Adviser Buffett Hints (CA) Property Tax Is Too Low

Posted on 08/14/2003 11:38:18 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Schwarzenegger Adviser Buffett Hints Property Tax Is Too Low

Targeting State's Proposition 13 Is Unlikely Republican Stance By JOSEPH T. HALLINAN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Warren Buffett, the billionaire financial adviser to Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign for California governor, strongly suggested in an interview that the state's property taxes need to be higher.

Mr. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., took on California's famous Proposition 13, which has limited property taxes there since 1978. As an example, he pointed out the difference between his own property-tax bills for homes he owns in California and Nebraska.

His home in Omaha, he said, is valued at roughly $500,000. His current yearly property tax bill on that home: $14,401.

In California, he owns a Laguna Beach home valued at $4 million, or eight times as much. The annual property taxes on that home are just $2,264 -- a fraction of what he pays in Omaha.

More to the point, said Mr. Buffett, the taxes on his Omaha home rose $1,920 this year, compared with $23 on the Laguna Beach home. Mr. Buffett attributed the scant jump in California to the restrictions of Proposition 13, which generally limits property-tax increases to 2% a year, no matter how much the value of a property appreciates.

Mr. Buffett stopped short of saying he would urge Mr. Schwarzenegger to seek a reversal of Proposition 13 to increase property taxes -- a move that would almost certainly be attacked by many of Mr. Schwarzenegger's fellow Republicans. But he left little doubt that that is where he is leaning.

"This property-tax illustration, that tells you, you can draw certain conclusions from that," said Mr. Buffett. Noting that tax assessments also vary widely, he said of the tax system, "In effect, it makes no sense."

"But you've got to look at everything," he added. "I took the job yesterday. And it's going to be his [Schwarzenegger's] policies. Any advice I give is going to be to him."

The state has been roiled by financial troubles tied to the economic downturn and the recent state energy crisis, factors fueling the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis. Standard & Poor's Corp. has downgraded California bonds to a triple-B rating, the worst in the nation and two notches above junk-bond status.

Proposition 13 limits on property taxes aren't directly responsible for California's current fiscal problems, which had the state facing a deficit of $38 billion for the fiscal year that started July 1. But in general, the limitations on property taxes have forced state government to rely on other taxes, such as the personal income tax, and to engage in complicated maneuvers to reallocate the state's revenue and help entities that faced funding gaps, especially schools. Even with those constraints, state spending grew faster than inflation in the 1990s, but then leveled off and is down this year.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, like other candidates, has vowed to improve the state's fiscal picture. But suggestions that tax increases could be an answer could represent a problem for Republicans and the Bush White House, who have pursued tax cuts as the best way to improve the economy overall. Democrats are sure to leap at the contradiction, and the Buffett comments may likely to deepen the biggest fear of many national Republicans: that the moderate views of Mr. Schwarzenegger, for all his appeal as a candidate, could spark infighting within the party.

Sean Walsh, a spokesman for the campaign, said, "The proposals and courses [Mr. Schwarzenegger] chooses will be his own." The campaign announced late Thursday that Mr. Buffet and former Secretary of State George P. Shultz will co-head an "Economic Recovery Council" to advise the campaign, and he said that Mr. Buffet's voice would be one among its members. "The breadth of economic and financial views will be presented to Arnold," Mr. Walsh said.

In the interview, Mr. Buffett also said people approached Berkshire Hathaway and other financial firms a few months ago on behalf of the state of California, seeking to secure buyers for the state's bonds if necessary. "California was looking in the financial market for, in effect, a 'put,' or guarantee, by financial institutions that they would be able to come to market with bonds about nine months hence," said Mr. Buffett.

A spokesman for the California Treasurer said the department had "no knowledge of any state representative approaching Mr. Buffett." Steve Peace, California's director of finance, said investment bankers might have initiated such a discussion, but not with any official authorization by the state of California. He said the bond issue most likely involved -- a $10.7 billion limited sales tax bond -- has not yet been issued.

Mr. Buffett said that in the discussion with Berkshire Hathaway, the state was willing to pay 0.75 percentage point, or about $80 million, to firms such as Berkshire if they would agree to buy between $10 billion and $11 billion in bonds.

"That's a lot of money to pay for a put," said Mr. Buffett. "It's a couple bucks for every citizen of California." Just a year earlier, said Mr. Buffett, the fee for such a put was just 0.18 percentage point. "I thought about doing it," he said, but decided against it. Berkshire, he said, owns no California bonds.

Mr. Buffett's comments come a day after he startled many political observers by jumping into politics in the nation's biggest state, especially on the side of a Republican candidate. He is usually associated with Democratic causes. "I don't worry about that," he said. "I vote for far more Democrats than I vote for Republicans. But I vote for plenty of Republicans."

Among Mr. Schwarzenegger's competitors for the governor's seat is a longtime acquaintance of Mr. Buffett, former baseball commissioner Peter V. Ueberroth, who sits on the board of the Coca-Cola Co. with Mr. Buffett. Mr. Buffett said he hadn't known Mr. Ueberroth would be a candidate. Referring to Mr. Ueberroth and former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, another candidate, he said, "Peter is very able. Dick Riordan is very able. But Arnold, he's a very smart fellow. He has brains and muscle. Some of us have neither."

Through Berkshire, in which he controls about a third of the shares, Mr. Buffett has billions of dollars invested in the state of California. Those holdings include about $2.67 billion in stock of San Francisco based Wells Fargo & Co., along with other businesses, such as See's Candies and MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., the nation's third-largest owner of natural gas pipelines. MidAmerican does substantial business in California. Its Kern River Gas Transmission Co. operates a 926-mile pipeline from Wyoming to the San Joaquin Valley near Bakersfield, Calif.

"The truth is California has got very serious financial problems," Mr. Buffett said. "It's an economy that's the size of France and there's no way the U.S. is going to have a healthy economy if California continues to have the problems it has . . . I've got a selfish interest in this country doing well, no doubt about that."

Mr. Buffett said his preliminary assessment of California showed that the state's budget had depended on billions of dollars collected in capital gains taxes, much of it generated by the bull market of the late 1990s. "In effect," he said, "they set their financial planning based on a financial bubble." Now that those gains are gone, California's budget must be balanced by money from elsewhere.

"You're going to have to get it in balance -- and get it in real balance. And it is not in balance now," said Mr. Buffett. "And they have to do whatever is necessary on spending or taxes to get it in balance.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: highertaxes; ratdivideandconquer; schwarzenrino; taxandspend; taxes; warrenbuffett
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1 posted on 08/14/2003 11:38:19 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
Sheesh. Here we go.

These Leftists are going to try and solve a spending crisis by raisng more taxes.

Just exactly how that is going to bring more businesses back so Arnie has more money for his social welfare schemes is a mystery known only to socialist minds like Buffett's.
2 posted on 08/14/2003 11:41:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BurbankKarl
Warren Buffett believes in raising average folks property taxes. If anything here in California we are too heavily OVERTAXED. Not even the Democrats would be dumb enough to take on Proposition 13. Buffett is a liberal with a political tin ear. And Arnold would be well advised to leave the Third Rail of California politics well enough alone.
3 posted on 08/14/2003 11:41:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: EternalVigilance
Exactly. Talking about raising taxes in the campaign is a sure fire guaranteed to drive Arnold's poll numbers up. Buffett doesn't have a clue about real world politics. Makes you wonder why Arnold hired him if he begins talking on the record about the need to raise taxes.
4 posted on 08/14/2003 11:43:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BurbankKarl
Campaign on a promise to raise property taces?
5 posted on 08/14/2003 11:44:36 PM PDT by RLK
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To: BurbankKarl
What a monumental a-hole. He doesn't care, and it makes no difference to him; he just has one of his drones send in a check.

One very important rule in life is to completely ignore any "thinking" about taxes by very rich people and very poor people, because neither are much affected by them.

And I can't believe he pays over $14k to be stuck in a dump like Omaha. He's dumber than he looks.

6 posted on 08/14/2003 11:44:55 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: goldstategop
Talking about raising taxes in the campaign is a sure fire guaranteed to drive Arnold's poll numbers up.

Whaaat?

7 posted on 08/14/2003 11:45:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: BurbankKarl
All Arnold needs is an adviser with NO political savy! Why raise an issue in that manner during an election? If he's going to broach the subject, then the only way to do it is to announce an intention to raise property taxes a certain amount or in a certain way. He shouldn't just lob generalizations into the pot which will be taken the wrong way by his friends and purposefully misconstrued by his enemies.

If he were my adviser, he'd be history.
8 posted on 08/14/2003 11:45:40 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: BurbankKarl
Who here wants the next Governor of Cali to take advice from this douchebag Buffet?
9 posted on 08/14/2003 11:45:59 PM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: goldstategop
I`m sorry, Warren Buffett may have all the money in the world plus a dollar,but sometimes he makes mud look smart.
10 posted on 08/14/2003 11:46:13 PM PDT by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: EternalVigilance
My natural sarcasm. I like being ironic, my friend. ;-)
11 posted on 08/14/2003 11:46:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BurbankKarl
Let's hope the "fiscal conservative" Arnold doesn't heed his advise.
12 posted on 08/14/2003 11:47:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: bybybill
Yes... he may a shrewd businessman and investor but he knows zip, zero, zilch, and nada about California politics.
13 posted on 08/14/2003 11:47:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Hank Rearden
Now, now. I'm an Omaha native. ;-)

Can't blame a whole city for a socialist like Buffett, any more than you can blame a whole state full of people for Gray Davis.

It's actually a d*mn fine town.
14 posted on 08/14/2003 11:47:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Mr. Mojo
If Arnold's half as smart as he is, the last thing he wants to do on the campaign trail is say "I will raise your taxes."
15 posted on 08/14/2003 11:48:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
LOL...whew!
16 posted on 08/14/2003 11:48:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: kellynla
ping
18 posted on 08/14/2003 11:48:21 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: BurbankKarl
And I BELIEVE Buffet's brain is too soft and squishy. That's what he gets for hanging around democrats. Good grief, Arnold loves Milton Freidman but then asks Buffet for advice? Afraid Arnold went for the "BIG NAME" here and not quality. Poor decision making on his part. IMHO
19 posted on 08/14/2003 11:49:11 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: the_Watchman
I agree. No one makes comments like that. Not even the most LIBERAL Democrat in California is going to propose raising residential property taxes at ELECTION TIME.
20 posted on 08/14/2003 11:49:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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