Immigrant-rights group intensifies fight against civilian patrols on border

Associated Press via the Arizona Daily Star ^ | 8/12/03

[Tancredo Fan]

Updated 5:54 pm Aug 12, 2003

Immigrant-rights group intensifies fight against civilian patrols on border

The Associated Press

PHOENIX - An advocacy group wants to file a lawsuit on behalf of migrants who say they were victimized by armed civilian groups patrolling the border, and is seeking victims willing to serve as plaintiffs.

The Border Action Network claims the groups operate outside the law and violate the rights of immigrants. They hope to pressure authorities to intervene.

The self-appointed border patrol groups deny they are breaking the law, and said they pass along to authorities information that volunteers collect about illegal border-crossers.

Volunteers for the Border Action Network are stretching their search for alleged victims along the entire border and as far south as the Mexican state of Chiapas. The advocates began asking victims to come forward earlier this year through ads and radio spots in Sonora, Mexico.

Once alleged victims come forward, attorneys plan to sue the people or groups accused of assaulting, robbing, intimidating or illegally detaining border-crossers.

"The purpose of the suit is to get at their pocketbook," said Jesus Romo, a civil rights attorney in Tucson. "Our purpose is to bankrupt these individuals so that they stop their actions."

No lawsuits have been filed thus far.

Border Action Network plans to continue using radio spots and newspaper ads to find plaintiffs, particularly focusing in areas where migrants originate.

Finding plaintiffs for civil lawsuits also could make it easier for prosecutors and other officials to open investigations into the activities of civilian patrol groups, said Zoe Hammer-Tomizuka, a Border Action Network volunteer.

Glenn Spencer, president of American Border Patrol, an organization based in Sierra Vista that monitors illegal border-crossers, says his group operates lawfully and does not interfere with migrants.

Still, he said he's concerned about groups that plan to file lawsuits. "Things are getting a little hairy," he said. "They're heightening feelings on both sides of the border. They are trying to rabble-rouse."

Another group that has patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border was sued in Texas over two incidents of alleged abuse against detained migrants.

A lawsuit filed in May accuses Ranch Rescue and others of assaulting, falsely imprisoning and robbing six people during two incidents in March in rural south Texas.

The Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund in Los Angeles joined in filing the lawsuit. The Southern Poverty Law Center monitors the political movements of groups from white supremacist groups to eco-terrorists.

[novacation]

Why Americans don't hold the governments feet to the fire on that issue is a sign that the country is sure to go down the tubes under the weight of the invasion. Why the ILLEGAL ALIENS get better treatment is a mystery.It could be an effort to create anarchy.Once a society breaks down it is easier for a scoundrel to take away liberties and take control.It's maddening to see all that our ancestors fought and died for being given to people who look to the US to see how much they can get for free. Sickening

[mrustow]

Why is this group referred to as "immigrants rights" when they are advocates for illegal immigrants?

Because the AP is itself an advocate for illegal immigrants. All those reporters and editors have illegal nannies, don'tcha know. Can't have Ivy Leaguers soiling their hands, changing doo-doo diapers now, can we?

[novacation]

Thanks for the advice.Little pricks do get me too upset.

[MissAmericanPie]

There is Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that the legislative branch seems to have forgotten:

"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

Websters Dictionary
invasion: an invading;specif. (a) an entering or being entered by an attacking military force (b) an intruding upon others (c) the onset of a disease.

invade: (1) to enter forcibly, as to conquer (2) to crowd into, throng. (3) to intrude upon, violate. (4) to spread through with harmful effects.

It would seem our Federal government is intent on wiping out any trace of the conservative decendents of the American Revolution and replacing them with easily led, and easily controlled, uneducated, third world, marxist, worker bees. There can be no denying it to oneself any longer.

[King Prout]

no argument from me, Ma'am.
a quick look at Roman history makes this "undocumented worker" stuff evidently a bad idea.
see: laeti and the provinces, defense in depth, numismatics, economy, travel, commerce, language, @300-450 AD

[King Prout]

I *hope* it shall not come to that.
I *pray* we will not *need* to resort to that.

[Cultural Jihad]

S3 could become the rule.

S3? What's that?

[Imagine]

(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY: start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand.)

18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every 6 months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) GWV workers shall be prohibited for voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated, then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.

[MadeInOhio]

Most Americans don't appreciate where this is taking us.

A generation from now, unrestricted immigration will do what Bobby Lee and Jeff Davis couldn't -- cut some stars out of Old Glory.

The federal policy of winking and ignoring the present Mexican invasion would have been incomprehensible to prior generations of American leadership. Based on present trends and the ideology of those championing said trends, I predict America will be forced to cede or fight to retain the Southwest by 2050.

[King Prout]

something very disturbingly similar in nature to lynching.
I wish folks would not speak of it so glibly, as if it was either innocuous or at the moment the only (or even a viable) option. I can understand their frustration - Hell: I share it. But vigilante homicide is seldom a good idea, and never one to be bandied about blithely.

[King Prout]

not bad, looks like you've been thinking on this for a while.

[novacation]

Could make my California property value drop.The US will turn into a socialist third world country. The ACLU and others or contantly trying to trample the constitution and the rights of native born Americans.To borrow a line from a movie,"you will fight or you will fall."

[Cultural Jihad]

They don't like misdemeanors being committed so they therefore blithely advocate the committing of felonies?

[King Prout]

wholesale invasion of a country is not quite something to be dismissed as a misdemeanor.
Aside from that, I don't know that they advocate it, but they bandy it about too lightly. Even if it might turn out to be the only remaining option for preserving the union, it is something one should work strenuously to prevent becoming a necessity.

[Imagine]

You're right. I'm trying to start a movement, a snowball rolling downhill, if you will...

[Imagine]

I've been thinking about this one too:

The Leftist Primer, Aug 2003:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958685/posts

[King Prout]

I'll look into it later. bedtime for me.

[Cultural Jihad]

something very disturbingly similar in nature to lynching. I wish folks would not speak of it so glibly, as if it was either innocuous or at the moment the only (or even a viable) option.

Indeed, I too wish people wouldn't be so glib about murder. You say you wish folks (plural) wouldn't, and someone else said he's seen the phrase used here a lot on the forum. Any rational human being would rightly come and denounce the advocacy of such criminal behavior "glibly" or otherwise.

That was all PRND21 did on the other thread this evening. He saw someone advocate breaking the laws against the property of the President, and he commented on it correctly pointed out the hypocrisy. You countered with an insulting link to this thread, and you did so after claiming you will never again speak with him. What's up with that?

[donmeaker]

Good list of things to do.

I would add:

Border Violators will be deemed "Illegal Combatants" and subject to military tribual.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Volunteers for the Border Action Network are stretching their search for alleged victims along the entire border and as far south as the Mexican state of Chiapas.

As far south as Chiapas, eh?

Maybe they can get some help from this guy.

Or these guys.