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LaVerkin Councilman Publishes U.N. Conspiracy Belief (Tinfoil tricorn time!)
KSL Ch 5 [Salt Lake City] ^ | August 4, 2003 | John Hollenhorst

Posted on 08/12/2003 1:54:24 PM PDT by quidnunc

LaVerkin, UT – A small southern Utah community has gained international notoriety from its campaign to become a United-Nations-Free Zone.

Now, the LaVerkin city councilman who started that campaign has published a book revealing a truly astounding belief about the U.N.

But a prominent historian says the real worry is that 1950s style "conspiracy theories" are gaining momentum in our X-files generation.

The United Nations may have some image problems lately. But most people will have real trouble swallowing Al Snow's theory.

He thinks the U.N. is conducting a campaign of mass murder by spraying poison into the atmosphere. Is LaVerkin's chief anti-UN crusader onto something? Or is he seeing boogeymen under the bed?

Al Snow believes in the Red, White & Blue. And in a seemingly UN-believable threat from the blue sky.

Al Snow: "Well, today's a good day for you guys to be here because there's lots of chemtrails in the sky."

Most people would call them con-trails. Or vapor-trails.

But LaVerkin city councilman Al Snow says these trails are different. They spread out for hours and fill the sky. He says they are Chemical Trails sprayed almost every day by strange aircraft.

Al Snow: "They're all silver with no insignia or no number. Or they're all white. Or they're all white with a red tail."

In his new book, "Chemtrails: Death in the Sky," he claims the aircraft are spreading barium powder. He thinks it's likely they're trying to kill millions of people. His book asks the question, "Is the United Nations doing the spraying?"

Al Snow: "I think they are, yeah. I think they are. But I want people to think about it and make up their own mind."

"Chemtrails" are the latest in a half-century saga of bizarre, mostly discredited UN conspiracy theories.

Historian Robert Goldberg has studied and written about conspiracy theories. They persist, he says, even without evidence, because they give people a sense of power.

Robert Goldberg/ Professor, University of Utah History Dept.: "The people who claim conspiracy theories picture themselves as latter-day Paul Revere's. That is, 'The people are asleep and the danger is close by. If only we can awaken the American people.' Then the danger can be set aside."

Al Snow is a sort of LaVerkin Paul Revere.

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Escalante Woman Sounds "Chemtrails" Alarm

Escalante, UT – A LaVerkin City Councilman is leading a local fight against the United Nations, believing the U.N. is deliberately murdering millions of people by spraying poison from high altitudes. The belief is surprisingly widespread. And a woman in Escalante is also trying to sound the alarm.

Most people think the poisoning theory is nothing but silly paranoia. KSL thinks it's newsworthy because it helps explain the origins of the anti-UN movement in LaVerkin, which gained worldwide attention. The city councilman who wrote the anti-UN ordinance is part of a small but persistent group of true believers.

From her basement office, Toni Thayer believes she's fighting back against what I the most monstrous crime in history, if her beliefs are true that there's a United Nations plot to dominate the world.

Toni Thayer, Escalante: “They also intend to eliminate two-thirds of the human population.”

Like LaVerkin City Councilman Al Snow, she believes vapor-trails behind mysterious high-flying aircraft are actually a poison spray, that it's a campaign of mass murder on an unprecedented scale.

Toni Thayer, Escalante: “It is. And it’s time for Americans to wake up. It’s time for us to stand up in unison.”

She's created a poster presentation on the theory. In the Garfield County newspaper, she's published front-page articles. She has her own web-page. The Chemtrails theory has bounced around on the Internet and radio talk-shows for several years. Thayer claims up to 2,000 hits per day on her website, including many from government agencies.

Toni Thayer: “The US Navy was one of the top three visitors in May.”

Historian Robert Goldberg has studied and written about many similar, discredited, conspiracy theories by people opposed to the U.N.

Prof. Robert Goldberg, Univ. of Utah History Dept.: “These people actually frighten me.”

He worries that conspiracy thinking over the last 50 years has hurt the political system.

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(John Hollenhorst in KSL Ch 5 [Salt Lake City] , August 6, 2003)
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1 posted on 08/12/2003 1:54:25 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I love chemtrails. They give barbeque food that tangy zip!
2 posted on 08/12/2003 2:01:31 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: quidnunc
Theories like this make my own UN conspiracy theories a hell of a lot more reasonable...
3 posted on 08/12/2003 2:03:48 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (All Dems is Pimps and Ho's)
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To: quidnunc
Crazy as a johnny house rat.
4 posted on 08/12/2003 2:04:29 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: quidnunc
People can joke about this all they want. But first, tell me why it is that the normal contrails from aircraft are actually rather small, yet quite often you can see these contrails that stretch from horizon to horizon, and then spread out. Other times, they are in paralel rows, or perpendicular grids. Sometimes there is a large break in the trail, where it is turned off for a few minutes and then turned back on. Once, they played tic-tac-toe over Puget Sound. No, I'm not delusional. I witnessed it, as did tens of thousands of others. It's so common now, these chemtrails, that we hardly even notice them. And before you lecture me on how jets work, or how the weather works, take this into account: I'm a licensed PILOT. Save your breath. I know what contrails are supposed to look like. Sometimes you can even see a 'normal' one.

But the next time you watch a high flying jet whose 'contrail' lasts long enough to form its' own cloud from one horizon to the other, think about it. If you research the FAA radar data, those planes don't exist. Explain that - I'd like to hear your reply.
5 posted on 08/12/2003 2:11:05 PM PDT by 11B3 (We cannot rest until the Left is destroyed. Then we'll have Liberty.)
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To: 11B3
Explain that - I'd like to hear your reply.
Klaatu barada nikto!
6 posted on 08/12/2003 2:17:50 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: 11B3

7 posted on 08/12/2003 2:19:15 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: 11B3
There were some perpendicular grids over my house in Boca Raton a few weeks ago. The funny thing is that they lasted a long time - a lot longer than the thin vapor trails or clouds or sky writing. Big winds up there in Southern Florida.
8 posted on 08/12/2003 2:19:21 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (Hired Mercenary - Have Bullhorn - Will Shoutl for Freedom!)
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To: All
Let me add this to my post above: I don't try to accuse anyone or any government or organization for this. I don't have enough info to do so. This isn't a tinfoil issue. It's very real.

Wake up and look up. Then let's hear YOUR explanation.

We're in here to help defend this nation. What's the excuse for looking the other way when there are unknown chemical additives in jet fuel that may or may not be getting released for some unannounced motive? It wouldn't be the first time that we were lab rats. Just ask anyone who participated in the above ground nuclear weapons tests.

9 posted on 08/12/2003 2:21:21 PM PDT by 11B3 (We cannot rest until the Left is destroyed. Then we'll have Liberty.)
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To: 11B3
I dont know about con-cem trails but I do know AIDS was not present in Africa until after th un began giving out their free inoculations to the people.
10 posted on 08/12/2003 2:21:45 PM PDT by JOHANNES801 (Kill a commie for mommie.)
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To: Seeking the truth
Yes, those are chemtrails. You also know the difference. The thing that bothers me the most about this stuff is that it started back during Clinton's tenure. Big time.

Who knows, maybe there is some beneficial reason for this? All I know is that they aren't normal contrails.
11 posted on 08/12/2003 2:26:36 PM PDT by 11B3 (We cannot rest until the Left is destroyed. Then we'll have Liberty.)
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To: 11B3
Booo!
12 posted on 08/12/2003 2:27:20 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: 11B3


13 posted on 08/12/2003 2:30:22 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
Boo this.

Or, just continue to believe everything you are told. Your choice. I'm not trying to get into any conspiracy BS - read what I wrote. And grow up.

14 posted on 08/12/2003 2:50:40 PM PDT by 11B3 (We cannot rest until the Left is destroyed. Then we'll have Liberty.)
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To: 11B3
Wow, I'm convinced. It's skeery.
15 posted on 08/12/2003 2:53:23 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: metalbird1
In his new book, "Chemtrails: Death in the Sky," he claims the aircraft are spreading barium powder. He thinks it's likely they're trying to kill millions of people. His book asks the question, "Is the United Nations doing the spraying?"

FYI bump.

16 posted on 08/12/2003 2:59:23 PM PDT by untenured
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To: quidnunc
Howdy, quid. How'za been?

Here's a couple of links for those who like to know what motivates those crazy conspiratists. I suppose Rep. Dennis Kucinich done fell of the fence on this one. Check out his proposed Act to de-weaponize space here (Scroll down to Page 3):

Space Preservation Act of 2001 -- HR 2977 IH

Here's another link for the benefit of those who are wondering what a chemtrail looks like:

Pictures and links to chemtrail research sites

Personally, I think the increase in mortality rates due to undiagnosed respiratory illnesses during the past five years is what the participating nations would probably term, 'acceptable collateral damage.' I'm ready to believe that the world-wide aerial chemical aerosol saturation program is a weather control program, whereas Rep. Kucinich refers to them as exotic weapons.

17 posted on 08/12/2003 3:01:46 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound; 11B3
Quote:

Al Snow: "The elitists have said we need to eliminate 350.000 people a day until we get back to the 1.5 billion, and that's what the earth can sustain."

Who are those elitists pushing for mass murder?

Al Snow: "Jacques Cousteau is one of them."

And who's dying?

Al Snow: "People over 70 years of age, okay? People with emphysema, with asthma and respiratory problems."

You've convinced me, it's a dastardly intrigue, right enough!

Chuckle … snicker, … giggle … chortle … snort … guffaw!

18 posted on 08/12/2003 3:28:36 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
They're killing the old, and the infirm, and those about to die.
19 posted on 08/12/2003 3:33:50 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
Petronski wrote: They're killing the old, and the infirm, and those about to die.

So why aren't they concentrating their efforts on Florida, Arizona and the Las Vegas area?

20 posted on 08/12/2003 3:38:31 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: 11B3
Do you want a serious explanation? I see a few silly ones, but none that say why you are seeing what you're seeing.
21 posted on 08/12/2003 3:40:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: quidnunc
I guess my sarcasm failed: "They're killing...those about to die."
22 posted on 08/12/2003 3:45:25 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: AppyPappy
That's exactly what the Illuminati want you to think.
23 posted on 08/12/2003 3:46:49 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: 11B3
I'm a pilot and aircraft mechanic myself. I've been wondering about those supposed contrails myself. I really don't remember them lasting that long and spreading all over the sky. You can really see them out here in Colorado. I've been trying to rationalize them away but when I see a contrail spread out for miles it's kind of spooky.
24 posted on 08/12/2003 3:49:54 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Petronski
Petronski wrote: I guess my sarcasm failed: "They're killing...those about to die."

No I got it, but your comment started me thinking.

If their purpose is to eliminate as many people as possible why aren't they concentrating their efforts is areas with large concentrations of senior citizens who are more physically vulnerable than younger people.

Why concentrate their efforts on Utah where they're going to whack mostly jackrabbits, coyotes and rattlesnakes.

Why not spray Los Angeles, New York City and Mexico City?

It seems to me that they're missing a good bet there.

25 posted on 08/12/2003 3:56:42 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Cyber Liberty
He is seeing.....

Are you ready?

CONTRAILS!!!

26 posted on 08/12/2003 4:00:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: quidnunc
"So why aren't they concentrating their efforts on Florida, Arizona and the Las Vegas area?"

For the curious, check out this link to view five-year chemtrail history in your area. You'll have to register, then click on 'CALENDAR":

LINK TO NATIONAL CHEMTRAIL REPORTING DATA BASE CALENDAR

27 posted on 08/12/2003 4:01:03 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quidnunc
This chemtrails foolishness got a big boost from Art Bell before he retired.
28 posted on 08/12/2003 4:03:47 PM PDT by Wolfstar (And an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: AppyPappy
That's my theory.

It is also my theory that this person doesn't want an explanation at all. That theory is being proven with every passing minute.

29 posted on 08/12/2003 4:12:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Wolfstar
I guess the contrails must have gotten him at last, huh?
30 posted on 08/12/2003 4:12:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: 11B3
If someone is spraying something with the idea of dropping it on the population of the country, why would they do it at a height that guarantees it won't fall to earth in any significant quantities and is impossible to predict where the small remnants will come down?

All in all a rather stupid abd inefficient way of getting things into the people you want to affect.

31 posted on 08/12/2003 4:28:19 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Eastbound
For the curious, check out this link to view five-year chemtrail history in your area. You'll have to register, then click on 'CALENDAR"

Lemme get this straight, there is a website that tracks chemtrail sightings and catalogs them for people inclined to believe that stuff. It then requires you REGISTER?

Maybe I'm crazy, but people paranoid enough to believe in chemtrails are entirely too paranoid to register for something on the internet.

32 posted on 08/12/2003 4:31:39 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
" . . . It then requires you REGISTER?"

Yeah, I don't like it either. But it's a YAHOO site. Most, if not all Yahoo sites require you register if you want to click the member links in the left column. The forum itself does not require registration if you only wanted to follow the discussion.

33 posted on 08/12/2003 4:39:03 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Nevermind.
34 posted on 08/12/2003 4:49:24 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB; AppyPappy; Lazamataz
Ya know, we gotta start taking these guys seriously.

I saw these things all the time as a kid. Really! Back in the 60's. I'd look way up there and see them, and the devil planes.

Little did I realize at the time, but they were engaged in a nefarious plot to shrink the world.

Stop laughing....it's true!

I noticed, little by little (the process had taken a number of years....ten at least), Things around me were getting smaller. I knew for sure that something series was afoot when I visited my old elementary school. The whole place had become incredibly tiny! The desk I sat at looked like something a doll would fit in.

Well, I didn't say anything, because I was sure I'd be thrown in a dungeon or some catacombs right then and there.

It appears the world stopped shrinking around 1976, thank goodness. I wonder why I was immune to the chemtrails? I theorized at the time that perhaps I was not fully immune, as I noticed that I had started strange hair growths under my arms, on my face and, uh....somewhere else.

Could it be my immunity wore off, and we've been shrinking ever since? I'd hate to think the Earth is the size of mosquito testicles or something.....

35 posted on 08/12/2003 5:27:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: TomB
TomB wrote: If someone is spraying something with the idea of dropping it on the population of the country, why would they do it at a height that guarantees it won't fall to earth in any significant quantities and is impossible to predict where the small remnants will come down? All in all a rather stupid abd inefficient way of getting things into the people you want to affect.

Don't forget that they're also putting flouride in our water, and God only knows what other deviltry they're up to that we don't know about.

36 posted on 08/12/2003 5:35:01 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: 11B3
All your answers are right here, at this top secret website.
37 posted on 08/12/2003 5:35:11 PM PDT by sinkspur (Get a dog! He'll change your life!)
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To: 11B3
I've never seen anyone actually correlate pictures of planes making trails and FAA radar data not showing such planes. If the contrails websites had that kind of material on them rather than pure speculation, the theory might bear a second look. Can you provide any links to anything persuasive about contrails?
38 posted on 08/12/2003 5:36:30 PM PDT by Iconoclast2
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To: Petronski
I forgot to ping you to #35. Forgive.....
39 posted on 08/12/2003 5:37:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: quidnunc
"So why aren't they concentrating their efforts on Florida, Arizona and the Las Vegas area?"

I resemble that remark about Arizona. Just send the old folks here in the summer, you wouldn't need anything else. The heat would kill them.

The elders only come here in the winter.

40 posted on 08/12/2003 5:37:26 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: Cyber Liberty
Thanks for the ping. An earlier ping would not have worked anyway, as I was aboard the mothership at the time, encased in my slimy seedpod.

Boy them aliens sure make some good soap!

41 posted on 08/12/2003 5:45:24 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
Yup, yup, yup! Squeaky clean, inside and out!
42 posted on 08/12/2003 5:47:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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The Funny Award

Is you (sic) site all about fun, jokes and other things that make you smile?

This is the award for the funniest websites out there.


43 posted on 08/12/2003 6:03:56 PM PDT by AnnaZ ("Best of luck with your program." ~John S. Carroll~ Editor/Los Angeles Times)
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To: quidnunc
This thread is giving me such joy yet making me miss so many old FReepers. It's really been a while since we had a good one of "these".

;^)


44 posted on 08/12/2003 6:11:03 PM PDT by AnnaZ ("Best of luck with your program." ~John S. Carroll~ Editor/Los Angeles Times)
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To: AnnaZ
Another sinister plot, I see....
45 posted on 08/12/2003 6:11:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: AnnaZ
Makes you nostalgic for Michael Rivero?
46 posted on 08/12/2003 6:12:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Cyber Liberty; AnnaZ
The contrails are playing checkers right now right here. Anna, look to the east . . .
47 posted on 08/12/2003 6:15:08 PM PDT by Slip18
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To: AnnaZ
AnnaZ wrote: This thread is giving me such joy yet making me miss so many old FReepers. It's really been a while since we had a good one of "these".

Alas it's a shame that babylonian and Chanel aren't here to participate.

This thread would be right up their alley.

48 posted on 08/12/2003 6:19:54 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Petronski
They only publish this crap to "discount" the legitimate theories, which have been backed up by exhaustive and comprehensive evidence and statements from the "one-worlders" themselves.

If you haven't read the book "None Dare Call It A Conspiracy", I suggest that as an excellent place to start.

49 posted on 08/12/2003 6:23:06 PM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: Slip18
Mars was more interesting.
 
I do love the missile trails that appear once a year or so:
 
Photo
 

50 posted on 08/12/2003 6:29:03 PM PDT by AnnaZ ("Best of luck with your program." ~John S. Carroll~ Editor/Los Angeles Times)
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