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Protesting Homeowners: 'Taxed To Death'
NBC5 Chicago ^ | 8/11/03 | N/A

Posted on 08/11/2003 2:37:08 PM PDT by JustPiper

CHICAGO, 4:04 p.m. CDT August 11, 2003 - Some residents of the Edgewater neighborhood and Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn assembled in Daley Plaza Monday to protest escalating property taxes in the community on Chicago's north lakefront. More than 20 homeowners attended the lunchtime rally, waiving placards reading "Taxed to Death" and "Hello High Taxes, Goodbye Economic Diversity and Affordable Housing" and called for reform of Cook County's property-tax system.

Claire Tobin, executive director of the Edgewater Community Council, said her group has helped more than 700 property owners file appeals with the Cook County assessors office as a result of assessed property value increases of as much as 400 percent. Fueling the increases in property values, several protestors said, was higher sales prices of properties as the community becomes more desirable to home buyers.

"We are close to the lake, close to Lake Shore Drive, and a lot of people want to live here," said Ana Paz, who said her tax bill doubled this year. "But we have a lot of senior citizens that can't afford higher taxes. They're pushing people out of the neighborhood."

If her appeal does not substantially drop her tax bill, Paz said she would have to sell and move elsewhere,

Tobin, who organized the rally, said longtime residents want to keep their homes, not realize higher home values.

"The property sales have increased, but the people who have been in the neighborhood for years are paying higher taxes," Tobin said. She added that assessment values should be based on the sale price of an individual home and adjusted to reflect the rate of inflation, not prices of surrounding properties.

Steven Foster said he was appealing a leap in the assessment of his 16-unit rental building in the 5700 block of North Winthrop Avenue from $70,000 to $297,000. The increase would push his yearly tax bill to about $80,000 and would force him to sell because he could not increase rents enough to cover the difference.

"What would you do if I quadrupled your rent?" Foster asked rhetorically.

Quinn, who came to the protest saying he wished to lend support, said property taxes are unfair as they are, because they are not based on ability to pay the way income taxes are.

"It's an idea that goes back to biblical times," the lieutenant governor said. "Taxes ought to be based on ability to pay."

Quinn also said Cook County should pass a "whistleblower" law that would allow taxpayers to "ferret out" waste in county government, which he said was partly to blame for high taxes.

When asked if homeowners should be pleased by increases in the value of their properties because they could sell for large profits, Quinn replied that people would have to leave the community, damaging its social fabric.

"We don't want people to move out of the neighborhood," Quinn said. "They have a stake in the neighborhood and its institutions."

Maura Kownacki, a spokeswoman for Cook County Assessor James Houlihan, did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment Monday afternoon.

Kownacki confirmed more than 700 appeals were filed by Edgewater residents seeking reductions in their property assessments.

"The one thing people should know is we have a very open appeals process," Kownacki said. "Anyone who feels they are being over-assessed is encouraged to appeal." She added that the assessments are based on fair market value of properties, which is substantially measured by sales prices of similar properties.

"The job of the assessor is to reflect what is going on in the market," Kownacki said. "The problem is, the system is broken. There is a very big over-reliance on property taxes in Cook County."

She said most property-tax dollars go to schools, and she believed state sales and income taxes need to play a larger role in funding education.

"The system is broken," Kownacki said.


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This is the Daley/Blog answer to O'Hare expansion! It's going to get worse, this will hit all homeowners. Protest!
1 posted on 08/11/2003 2:37:09 PM PDT by JustPiper
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To: Chi-townChief; Anomaly in Illinois; Dengar01; spintreebob; unspun; chicagolady; tomkow6; backhoe; ..
Ping!
2 posted on 08/11/2003 2:37:50 PM PDT by JustPiper (Moving Sale: U.N. Going to Toronto!)
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To: JustPiper
I used to live not far away. 6 years ago I got a reassessment for a $53K condo for $2800.00 a year.

Yup, Cook County wants up to 5% of the market value of the property every year. The tax bill would have been equal to half or more of the mortgage.

3 posted on 08/11/2003 2:45:04 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: JustPiper
Note that one throwaway line:

"It's an idea that goes back to biblical times," the lieutenant governor said. "Taxes ought to be based on ability to pay."

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need ??? Where have we heard THAT before ? (Hint: with THAT Marx, the duck does NOT come down and pay you a hundred dollars. . . .)

OTOH, money-hungry states and municipalities all too often look to raise taxes, aka "revenue" first, and look for cuts and unnecessary services last. . .

4 posted on 08/11/2003 2:50:17 PM PDT by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: JustPiper
If her appeal does not substantially drop her tax bill, Paz said she would have to sell and move elsewhere...

This is what is wrong with people, not gov't. Idiots allow the gov't to steal from them.

Not enough people ever seem willing to tell these cities and towns to go pound sand especially in the smaller towns.

When the town dries up because people are forced to leave because they can not afford to live, something needs to be done, and probably with pitchforks!

5 posted on 08/11/2003 2:59:58 PM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: JustPiper
16-unit rental building in the 5700 block of North Winthrop Avenue from $70,000 to $297,000. The increase would push his yearly tax bill to about $80,000

Huh, a tax bill that's 30% of your rental building's worth? Has Daley heard of the phrase "Can't get blood from a stone"?
6 posted on 08/11/2003 3:00:22 PM PDT by lelio
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To: lelio
Sounds like you need Prop 13. We could limit property taxes to 1% of assessed valuation EVEN IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIASTAN.
7 posted on 08/11/2003 3:04:18 PM PDT by RKV
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To: JustPiper
Steven Foster said he was appealing a leap in the assessment of his 16-unit rental building in the 5700 block of North Winthrop Avenue from $70,000 to $297,000. The increase would push his yearly tax bill to about $80,000 and would force him to sell because he could not increase rents enough to cover the difference.

"What would you do if I quadrupled your rent?" Foster asked rhetorically.

California's Proposition 13 was a product of apartment owners in LA facing the same dilemma, along with homeowners. Some retired people were paying more in property tax, per mo., than was their mortgage. The tax collector became predatory.

You all back East can call California crazy, but we passed Prop 13, and now we' re gonna fire the governor.
Socialists hate democracy.

8 posted on 08/11/2003 3:04:59 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: JustPiper
This article strikes a chord with me.

Property Taxes are a patently unfair form of taxation. They allow the raising of taxes without representation in that appraised value of a property can be raised from within the shadows of governance far from the light of a vote. They also affect one of the most cherished principles of American Dream, property and home ownership. At the very least one should have peace in their home. Taxes are already levied against the increase in value upon realization of that value as a capital gain. Taxing the value each year is a double, triple, infinite tax that is not tied to productivity, or spending or any action other than having worked hard enough to own something. In a way it should be renamed the Living Tax.

The result on public policy is not in line with any philosophy I know of. It discourages the poor from realizing the American dream of home ownership. It punishes the elderly and those out of work by taxing them regardless of their position in life and ability to produce. It punishes those who have worked hard to better a neighborhood.

This tax needs to be abolished.
9 posted on 08/11/2003 3:09:40 PM PDT by jrawk
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To: JustPiper
She added that the assessments are based on fair market value of properties, which is substantially measured by sales prices of similar properties.

This is not good public policy in tax assessment. To use a ballooning market to reassess existing owners out of their property is confiscatory and immoral. It should be illegal. The reassessment should occur when the property is sold and the "Market Value" is actually realized, not upon the speculation of the bureaucracy.

10 posted on 08/11/2003 3:12:52 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: JustPiper
we have a lot of senior citizens that can't afford higher taxes

Senior citizens are normally allowed a tax exemption on their principle residence. Isn't that the case in this district?

11 posted on 08/11/2003 3:14:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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But it sounds like the owner of their apartments is going to have to suck up a 4x increase in his tax bill. Since he can't claim the 16 unit complex as his primary residence, he's socked with the bill. Maybe politicians think that he's sitting on a pile of cash and isn't going to pass on the "love" to his renters.
12 posted on 08/11/2003 3:32:17 PM PDT by lelio
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To: JustPiper
In otherm places rising taxes were allowed to drive solid people out,,,now the city owns,,,,,SLUMS! Ain't it wunnerful?
13 posted on 08/11/2003 3:36:01 PM PDT by Waco
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To: JustPiper
Property taxes rose an average of 7% Nation wide last year. This is just another criminal act of legal plunder forced onto the citizens by the government. Socialism is alive, well, and breeding everywhere. Almost makes me wish that I didn't own a house. Just another way fro the government to stick it to responsible citizens.
14 posted on 08/11/2003 3:38:45 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: elbucko
You all back East can call California crazy, but we passed Prop 13, and now we' re gonna fire the governor. Socialists hate democracy.

Bump that!.....

15 posted on 08/11/2003 3:42:00 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (1)
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To: elbucko
Some retired people were paying more in property tax, per mo., than was their mortgage Just proves that they never owned it in the first place. In reality we are renting the land from the gov.
16 posted on 08/11/2003 3:58:09 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: JustPiper
Chicago is a destination for many immigrants pouring into the USA ---- someone has to pay the costs for their children to be educated here and their health care bill. It's much cheaper for them to get their schooling in Mexico but they don't need to worry about costs.
17 posted on 08/11/2003 4:07:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Orange1998
In reality we are renting the land from the gov.

There is truth in that. But how much "rent" you're going to pay the government landlord, is a function of the ballot box.

18 posted on 08/11/2003 4:13:51 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: JustPiper; hellinahandcart; Taxman; bert
"Quinn, who came to the protest saying he wished to lend support, said property taxes are unfair as they are, because they are not based on ability to pay the way income taxes are.

"It's an idea that goes back to biblical times," the lieutenant governor said. "Taxes ought to be based on ability to pay."

WTF???!!!

19 posted on 08/11/2003 4:36:22 PM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: JustPiper
You have to be careful with this clown Quinn - I think he's one of the guys who wants to cap property taxes and then gouge us with an increased state income tax. It's only "fair."
20 posted on 08/11/2003 5:15:48 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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