IRS LOSES ANOTHER JURY TRIAL

The Commercial Appeal ^ | August 9, 2003 | Shirley Downing

[Who dat?]

Why are we all stupid enough to pay taxes if there is no law?

Well, you don’t have to pay if you don’t want to. In fact, a lot of people have lived their entire lives and never paid.

My grandfather, for instance, never paid. But he also lived out in the sticks, was self-employed, and didn’t have anything worth seizing (well, the state did seize his property after he died for failure to pay property taxes, but there were other problems with that due to the fact that they’d purchased the land in a handshake deal and never had a deed to the land properly recorded, which the BLM claimed was theirs, etc).

If you like living like that and don’t mind an all cash working/bartering system, then you can get away with it. Also, they will get you for failure to file. My grandfather didn’t pay but he did file a return every year.

I have a very strong suspicion that Ms. Kuglin hasn’t heard the last of this. Seriously.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

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[dfrussell]

Sorry. "Vig" is short for "vigoresh" -- which usually refers to a percentage paid for illegal gambling, the "interest" you pay on a loan from a loanshark to keep from having your knees broken, etc.

The person who collects is often called an "enforcer" -- that is Guido etc.

My point was that you were paying to keep the IRS from breaking your knees or worse.

[blackdog]

Remember the Arizona judge in the 80's who announced that any IRS tax case brought before him would be dismissed on constitutional grounds? They had him impeached, later admitting that the "evidence" which was delivered on the guy was just made up nonsense. It was too late however, the man was gutted like a fish by the whole event. It also served as a message to his judicial collegues, who by the way are exempt from paying many taxes under the pretense that it prevents conflicts of interest.

As for the judge in this case, he had better start practicing the following phrases........

I sir, do not work in the prison laundry.

I sir, do not bend over for anyone in any cell.

I sir, will not comply with lights out.

I sir, do not trade my spare ribs for a night without being violated.

[11B3]

"If you like living like that and don’t mind an all cash working/bartering system, then you can get away with it. Also, they will get you for failure to file. My grandfather didn’t pay but he did file a return every year."

In my case, it boils down to verifiable income. I have none. At least none on paper that can be traced. It's called being FREE. Living outside 'the system' is the only way to be free. It may not be as convenient, but Liberty requires that tradeoff.

[Aria]

So the IRS will appeal and the court will overturn the jury verdict. There is no way the system can let us revolt.

[Who dat?]

Some people like it, some people don’t. In his case he never had credit cards, bank accounts, or checks. He paid everything in person and in cash.

Meanwhile, I don’t even know how you could get something “simple” like auto insurance today in that manner. An increasing number of the companies do credit-scoring and our company requires payment by check or credit card. Could go to an agent locally, I guess.

[Rifleman]

Vig is vigorish a word used by mobsters to mean interest. Guido and Gusseppe are the two guys who come around and drill a .25" hole in your kneecaps with a Makita cordless drill if you miss the weekly payment.

The posters point is that when it comes to revenue, there is no practical difference between the government and La Cosa Nostra. And he is right.

[Rifleman]

Vig is vigorish a word used by mobsters to mean interest. Guido and Gusseppe are the two guys who come around and drill a .25" hole in your kneecaps with a Makita cordless drill if you miss the weekly payment.

The posters point is that when it comes to revenue, there is no practical difference between the government and La Cosa Nostra. And he is right.

[Saundra Duffy]

Thank God!

[11B3]

Yes, things requiring 'proof of income' are hard to come by. I consider these services to be part of the Gov't reporting system anyway. Some say that's tinfoil, I say 'just think about it'. Banks work hand-in-glove with the IRS, as does most of the financial system as a whole. It all ties together.

Hopefully, this case will be the straw that finally starts the flood of folks who see through the IRS's lies and deceit that has been foisted upon the nation for nearly 90 years. It's not just about the income tax - it's also about paying into the liberal's method of behavior modification, wealth redistribution, and social engineering. If avoiding that trap requires me to live without some of the 'modern' conveniences, so be it. Our forefathers seemed to live quite well without a lot of them, and I wouldn't trade my lifestyle for being 'back in the system' for anything.

If you check into the origin of the IRS in the US Code, you'll find that they are chartered as the collection service for the Puerto Rican ATF way back when. Since then, their organizational authorization hasn't been clarified beyond that. They have no legal authority inside the continental US - only the Commonwealth states - yet look at all those who have been ruined by them. It's insane.

[ovrtaxt]

HERE'S THE SOLUTION:

http://fairtax.org

[sergeantdave]

Several months ago Bush floated the trial balloon that the income tax should be scrapped. Tom DeLay has a plan to dump the tax after '04. Could this trial be an opening as justification to dump the income tax? The defendant said something of interest to get acquitted.

[ovrtaxt]

Tom Delay is a co-sponsor of the fairtax. It's in Congress as we speak. Write them a letter (not an email) and let them know you care.

[TEXOKIE]

re your post 23. Thanks so much for that descriptive clarification! Your point is understood now!!

[TEXOKIE]

"Guido and Gusseppe are the two guys who come around and drill a .25" hole in your kneecaps with a Makita cordless drill if you miss the weekly payment. "


OUCH!! LOL...point now well taken. Thanks for explaining.