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<b>Must Elected Officials Answer Our Petitions? <p> Can We Withhold Our Money If They Refuse?</b>
www.givemeliberty.org ^ | 8/03/03 | We The People

Posted on 08/08/2003 3:08:47 PM PDT by Nephi

We The People say “YES” to both questions.

The Founders said “YES” to both questions.

Now we will ask the United States Supreme Court to say “YES” to both questions.

Whether the Supreme Court confirms this self-evident truth, depends on you -- your passion for liberty, truth and justice, and your active participation and financial support.

At this serious moment in the life of our Country, we ask each of you to consider making the eternal cause of freedom a real and permanent part of your life.

Last week we announced the soon-to-be filed class action lawsuit, “We The People v. The United States Government.”

Unlike every other legal argument and court action that has been advanced by the “Freedom Movement” to date, this lawsuit does not question any specific statute, regulation, procedural protocol, legal doctrine or judicial interpretation.

It does not require, nor rest upon, any analysis of administrative procedure, delegation of authority or statutory construction. It does not require a judgment regarding proper jurisdiction or the definition of words. It does not require the courts to directly reverse or explain the legal labyrinth of prior judicial decisions that has evolved into the web of tyrannical judicial activism that presently exists in America.

This historic lawsuit places one core issue on the table:

Do We The American People enjoy popular sovereignty over our government, or not? Is the United States Federal Government accountable to We The People, and subject to our Petitions, or not?

This lawsuit will challenge the entire paradigm of legal thought that has defined the course of America for the past 50-75 years. This historic lawsuit will not rest on the definition of certain legal words of art, the interpretation or application of specific Titles and Sections of the U.S. Code, or the effect of previous court decisions.

From the inception of our nation the Right to Petition was virtually unquestioned as a means for individuals to be heard by Congress. As required, Congress directly answered these Petitions and even crafted significant volumes of legislation upon their content. In the early 1830’s Congress began to receive an abundance of Petitions from abolitionists against slavery. In 1840, southern Congressmen succeeded in getting the House to pass a “gag rule,” requiring the permanent tabling of all such Petitions. The Rule was not challenged in court and became procedural precedent until the Right to Petition effectively became the “forgotten Right”. In 1845, under John Quincy Adams’ leadership, the unconstitutional gag rule was repealed, but, by then it was too late, the precedent was established.

People have fought to protect, preserve and defend this ancient Right for hundreds of years, ever since the Middle Ages. It is the sole instrument by which the People, either as individuals, or as minority groups, can peacefully secure and exercise the unalienable Right to individual freedom that is God’s blessing to every human being.

Once the court, as we believe it must, recognizes this forgotten Right, elected officials at every level of government will once again be forced to listen and respond to the concerns of their constituents, rather than lobbyists alone. Individuals and small groups of Americans will once again be able to hold their elected officials directly accountable to the spirit and intent of the Constitution. And, where government persists in unconstitutional acts, the People will be able to lawfully withhold their taxes until their questions are honestly answered and their grievances are remedied. Click here for a sample of the arguments we will present to the court.

If the People of this nation can quickly assemble and publicly demand this declaration of our Rights by the courts, the days of despotism are most assuredly numbered.

We must convince the Court that the American People, in large numbers, are keenly interested in this defining legal issue. The Court must feel the searing white-hot light of public scrutiny being focused on this issue. Otherwise, the court may politicize the issue, choosing the status-quo over the spirit and intent of the Constitution: choosing political expediency over truth, liberty and justice. Judges are not omniscient. They are not gods or god-like. They are political beings. They suffer from the same human imperfections, flaws and lapses in judgment that effect us all.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: amendment; first; grievances; petition; redress; right
This is an interesting response to the non-response from our government officials. We The People have also posted some of their sample arguments that are worth reading.

Let's see who can keep the discussion relevent to the premise of the article.

givemeliberty.org has scheduled a full page ad in USA Today that will ask Americans a few questions. You can help if you would like to donate to help defray the costs of the ad(s).

1 posted on 08/08/2003 3:08:50 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: Nephi
My answer to the first is; they should, but I don't see anything written that they have to; my answer the second is, no.
2 posted on 08/08/2003 4:37:42 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Nephi
You can refuse to give your money to the government. The government can then take you by force and compell you to remain in prison.

If you wish to exercise the moral authority to withold your money, you should be prepared to demonstrate your moral integrity by accepting your punishment - don't whine about it.

3 posted on 08/08/2003 5:53:50 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: jimtorr
My answer to the first is; they should, but I don't see anything written that they have to; my answer the second is, no.

Have you ever read the first amendment?

4 posted on 08/08/2003 9:40:45 PM PDT by Nephi (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: jimtorr
my answer the second is, no.

In an officail Act of the Continental Congress, the founding fathers wrote: "If money is wanted by the rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility."*

*"Continental Congress To The Inhabitants Of The Province Of Quebec." Journals of the Continental Congress. 1774-1789 Journals 1: 105-13

5 posted on 08/08/2003 10:00:04 PM PDT by Nephi (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: jimkress
- don't whine about it.

You mean like you whine about Pat Buchanan?

6 posted on 08/08/2003 10:02:36 PM PDT by Nephi (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Nephi
Have you ever read the first amendment?

Sure have. Please tell me, in return, which part of ......the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances......., in today's constitutional law, requires Government to make any reply to, or even accept, a formal petition? The practice is, sadly, long out of use.

If petitions to Government can be revived, then great. I think it would take another amendment, though, to flesh out the concept.

7 posted on 08/10/2003 2:18:23 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Nephi
In an official Act of the Continental Congress.......

The only problem with what the Continental Congress said or did is that it was all supplanted by the Constitution and the amendment that created the income tax.

8 posted on 08/10/2003 2:25:25 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
If petitions to Government can be revived, then great...

but don't expect me to do anything to encourage it. I give up. Liberal communists won. The constitution says what they say it says and means what they say it means. All is lost.

The quote from the Continental Congress was included to give a sense of what the founding father intended. I also included a link to sample arguments, but since you and apparently most freepers have given up already, it won't be of much interest.

9 posted on 08/11/2003 9:03:34 AM PDT by Nephi (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Nephi
Horse-hockey!! I haven't given up. I'm sick to death of these corrupt ba$t@rds in both parties and the fact that they take more and more of my money to give it to those who hate me (illegal immigrants and other ne're-do-wells) all to buy the votes of those who should not be voting in American elections to begin with!
10 posted on 08/11/2003 9:59:06 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: Ranger Drew
Horse hockey!! I haven't given up.

Neither have I, which is why I started the thread in the first place.

11 posted on 08/12/2003 8:10:56 AM PDT by Nephi (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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