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To: HighRoadToChina
I didn't know the Foxbat could do Mach 3. The SR-71 could do it... I don't even think F14's can (not sure)
9 posted on 08/06/2003 12:38:32 PM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: bedolido
F-14 did a max of about Mach 2.1.
23 posted on 08/06/2003 12:42:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: bedolido
The Foxbat was designed to do Mach 2.8, but they set a redline of Mach 2.5 as any faster caused damage to the engines. US radar once tracked one over Israel at just over Mach 3. When it landed in Egypt its engines were total losses.
39 posted on 08/06/2003 12:48:01 PM PDT by Snake Eater
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To: bedolido
I don't even think F14's can (not sure) Nope. F14's supposed to be a bit slower than the F15 (again not from first-hand knowlege), but the F15(A,B& C's, Don't know about the new Strike Eagle) can run around mach 2.2 or so; but not for long, it burns a tremendous amount of fuel at that speed.
43 posted on 08/06/2003 12:50:32 PM PDT by CCCV
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To: bedolido
I don't even think F14's can (not sure)
Nope. F14's supposed to be a bit slower than the F15 (again not from first-hand knowlege), but the F15(A,B& C's, Don't know about the new Strike Eagle) can run around mach 2.2 or so; but not for long, it burns a tremendous amount of fuel at that speed.
47 posted on 08/06/2003 12:50:41 PM PDT by CCCV
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To: bedolido
I don't even think F14's can (not sure)
Nope. F14's supposed to be a bit slower than the F15 (again not from first-hand knowlege), but the F15(A,B& C's, Don't know about the new Strike Eagle) can run around mach 2.2 or so; but not for long, it burns a tremendous amount of fuel at that speed.
55 posted on 08/06/2003 12:50:42 PM PDT by CCCV
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To: bedolido
The MiG-25 was originally designed in response to the North American XB-70.

64 posted on 08/06/2003 12:54:37 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii (Actually Tarzana CA)
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To: bedolido
WOW Looks like I got a TRIPLE post on that one. Not sure how - Sorry
66 posted on 08/06/2003 12:55:15 PM PDT by CCCV
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To: bedolido
I didn't know the Foxbat could do Mach 3

Oh yes, it could do Mach 3, however even though that was played up a lot, in reality, they preferred not to do it because it burned way too much fuel (big enough engines can make any fighter go that fast). I believe it was declassified (I'm sure it was), but we've had access to a few over the years before the end of the cold war, and the technology was not that impressive. Let's just say lots of steel plating (adding weight), and lots of vacuum tubes, which a single round going through the the electronics bay would wipe most of the avionics.

The Mig-25 was really supposed to be a counter to the XB-70 Valkyrie, which never went into production. It was not that impressive outside of its speed, and at top speed it had some control problems, so they limited it to just under mach3 . The missiles it carried at first did not have that long of a range, negating their speed advantage to an extent since they had to get close to fire and at short range our guys would have a better chance of taking them out. The radar was impressive - you could really have some interesting results if you cranked it up on the ground - very powerful.

I dug this page up from a usenet posting, about the one that a defecting pilot landed in Japan in the mid 70s - "My God! Look what this thing is made of! Why, the dumb bastards don't have transistors; they're still using vacuum tubes! These engines are monsters! Maybe the Sovs have a separate refinery for each plane! Jesus! See these rivet heads sticking out, and look at that welding! They did it by hand! Hell, the pilot can't see a thing unless it's practically in front of him! This contraption isn't an airplane; it's a rocket!

The page is here but it's geocities, so don't expect much.

120 posted on 08/06/2003 1:32:15 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: bedolido
The Foxbat can do Mach 3, sustaining it like the Blackbird is another matter. It was originally designed with the purpose of intercepting the B-70 Valkyrie (which never went into production), then it may have been used to attempt to intercept the SR-71 (no success there).
181 posted on 08/06/2003 3:10:59 PM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: bedolido
I didn't know the Foxbat could do Mach 3.

The Foxbat was built to counteract the B70 Valkrye (sp?) which was built but never went into production.

189 posted on 08/06/2003 4:57:08 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: bedolido
I didn't know the Foxbat could do Mach 3. The SR-71 could do it... I don't even think F14's can (not sure)

Well, I'm not sure this violates the "Loose Lips" mandate, but US planes have LONG passed that 2000 mph.

The SR-71 top speed is still classified, but is well past 5000 mph.

As far as the F-14, I have been told that it took a squadron 55 minutes to cross the US from California to a Carrier leaving South Carolina...and that was with 2 slowdowns for re-fueling. You do the math.

Don't ask for "source" or "proof". Take the info or leave it, no sweat off my front.

209 posted on 08/06/2003 6:30:58 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: bedolido
Mig Foxbat doing Mach 3 sounds like Russian propaganda to me. I heard that these kinds of claims for Russian Migs, when they weren't total lies, applied to special planes rigged for a speed test and that they ruined the engines reaching their top speed for a very brief time.

And yes the SR-71 could do Mach 3 or very close. It could fly at over 2000 mph. That's Mach 3 territory. I've only read a few posts so someone else may already have enlightened us.
263 posted on 08/07/2003 9:02:18 AM PDT by razorbak
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