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Su-27, MiG-29 fighters likely to be exhibited in Taiwan air show
SpaceWar ^ | Aug 01, 2003 | AFP

Posted on 08/04/2003 11:30:46 AM PDT by yonif

Russian-made Su-27 and MiG-29 fighter aircraft are likely to be on display for the first time in Taiwan when an air show opens here later this month, organizers said Friday. The Taipei Air Show, to be held from August 12 to 14 at the northern Chiang Kai-shek International Airport, will gather 10 aircraft designers and manufacturers from northern Europe including Ukraine, the Taiwan-based Helicopter Development Association said.

"Ukraine has planned to send the Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft here to show off the country's state-of-the-art aeronautic technology," an association spokeswoman identified by her last name Huang told AFP.

"But we are not going to publicize in advance if these two aircraft will be actually on display at the show in light of the sensitive nature of the matter. Visitors will have to come and see," she added.

Huang said there had been plans for the two aircraft to take part in flying displays during the show but this had been cancelled following concerns from the Taiwan government.

If the two aircraft come to Taipei they will not be part of an aerial show, Huang said.

Military analysts said the exhibition would give Taiwan's air force their first opportunity to take a close look at the two aircraft which form the backbone of the rival Chinese air force.

Taiwan's United Daily News said that Beijing was disturbed about the possible display of the aircraft on the island and has tried to dissuade Ukraine from going ahead with the plan.

The People's Liberation Army has in the past repeatedly sent their advanced Su-27 aircraft to the Taiwan Strait to step up pressure on Taipei.

China regards Taiwan as an inseparable part of its territory waiting to be reunified by force if necessary.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: airshow; china; fighters; mig; russia; taiwan

1 posted on 08/04/2003 11:30:47 AM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
the exhibition would give Taiwan's air force their first opportunity to take a close look at the two aircraft which form the backbone of the rival Chinese air force.

Know thine enemy.

2 posted on 08/04/2003 11:38:08 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: yonif
The Russian MIG comes with a written warning:

"Caution. Do not store under 7 feet of sand."

3 posted on 08/04/2003 1:21:05 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: yonif
China has also agreed to send several hundred jet fighters to Taiwan, as well as warships, submarines and tanks.
4 posted on 08/04/2003 1:24:19 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: grobdriver
There is another issue.
The Taiwanese need more advanced fighters. They are still flying F-4E's and F-5E's from the Vietnam era. The Taiwanese replacement for the F-5 is essentially an underpowered F-21. The Taiwanese have some F-16's (although I'm not sure if they have AMRAAMs) and some Mirage 2000's. They are sorely laking in good Beyond Visual range missles. The Taiwanese have a good supply of older sidewinders and 2 domestic missles, but these do not look good compaired to China's best.
Taiwan needs help. They can either try to get Israel or Germany to upgrade its Phantoms and F-5E's, or it needs to purchase planes from the Former USSR.
Goven the low price of the Migs and Su-27's, I would suggest that Taiwan try to upgrade these with newer avionics.
5 posted on 08/04/2003 3:06:28 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
The Taiwanese replacement for the F-5 is essentially an underpowered F-21

Huh? The F-21 was the designation used for IAI Kfirs flown as "Aggressor" aircraft by the US navy.

The Taiwnese built Ching-kuo owes more to the F-16 (scaled down in size and twin engined)

6 posted on 08/04/2003 3:37:53 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire)
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To: rmlew
Ching-kuo Indigenous Defense Fighter
7 posted on 08/04/2003 3:42:12 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire)
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To: Oztrich Boy
My bad. I meand the F-20.
At any rate, I would take the Russian AA-12 over an older AIM-7 Sparrow any day.
8 posted on 08/04/2003 4:01:54 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
Goodness, when you apparently don't know ANYTHING, try not to make things up ....

There is another issue. The Taiwanese need more advanced fighters. They are still flying F-4E's and F-5E's from the Vietnam era.

TW NEVER had F-4E's, never. ROCAF F-5E's are now second line force and lead-ins for pilots moving to more advance types. They are also using a small number of upgraded F-5's (Tiger 2000, Tiger Eye) for recce role (until recce version of F-16 is online) and one sqd of F-5's for aggressor role.

The Taiwanese replacement for the F-5 is essentially an underpowered F-21

There is no such thing. F-20? Northrop never put it in production. AIDC F CK-1 is a bit under powered with the F125 derived engine, but otherwise a good plane with excellent avonics and load-out for point interception.

The Taiwanese have some F-16's (although I'm not sure if they have AMRAAMs)

Some? 150 is a pretty good number, and yes, they have AMRAAMs. Recently approved for delivery. ROCAF pilots have been training with it at Luke.

and some Mirage 2000's.

2000-5, Almost the latest update, bought and delivered at the same time frame as the F-16's (mid to late 90's delivery) 60 of them.

They are sorely laking in good Beyond Visual range missles.

Actually, they have four types of BVR AAM in inventory, the older Sparrows for the F-16. New TC-2's for the F-CK1, new MICAs for the Mirage. And new AMRRAMs for the F-16.

The Taiwanese have a good supply of older sidewinders and 2 domestic missles, but these do not look good compaired to China's best.

Their Sidewinders are up to AIM-9P4 for the F-5E's and AIM-9M for the F-16's. Also have R550 Magic II for the Mirage and domestic TC-1 for the F-CK1.

Taiwan needs help. They can either try to get Israel or Germany to upgrade its Phantoms and F-5E's, or it needs to purchase planes from the Former USSR.

TW never had Phantoms, AIDC is doing it's own F-5E upgrade program (some of it with Singapore Aerospace for the Tigereye).

Goven the low price of the Migs and Su-27's, I would suggest that Taiwan try to upgrade these with newer avionics.

One word (OK, several) - system integration, parts, service, logistics.

9 posted on 08/04/2003 4:48:37 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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To: Oztrich Boy
Like the F-5, and the F-20, this bird has no legs. Short range. THe CHICOM are going to outnumber our Taiwanese friends by at least 10-1 in the air anyway.
Problem time.
10 posted on 08/04/2003 6:26:14 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Republican Party Reptile
I guess you can't believe every article you read online.
The ChK-1 does look a lot like the proposed F-20, and seems to have a low thrust to weight ratio.
The Mirage 2000-5 are nice interceptors but have 2 weaknesses, poor manueverability, small weapons load.

If the ROC has 150 AMRAAMs then they have a good BVR missle to contend with the Chinese forces.
As for teh IR missles, do any of them actually match the Russian R-73/AA-11 Archer? The R-73 has a range of 20km, is all aspect, and is helmet targetted.
As far as I know, the only missles that match this (but not in range) are the ASRAAM, the AIM-9X, and the Python-4 and 5.
Do you know how many F-16's we sold to the ROC?
How do you think a late model F-16 (block 30 or 40) with a pair of AIM-9M's and 4 AMRAAMS compare to a Su-27 or Su-30MKK with AA-11s and AA-12s?
11 posted on 08/06/2003 8:31:50 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
Republican Reptile said Taiwan HAS 150 F-16'S NOT AIM-120'S. Taiwan HAS 200 AIM-120C's. I can't believe you can make such a definate comment when you clearly know nothing about the respected topic. As a matter of fact, you also lack general comprehension skills. Dude, please read properly before you reply next time!
12 posted on 09/14/2003 10:26:27 PM PDT by RedPhoenix
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