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Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order
Boston Herald | Saturday, August 2, 2003 | By David R. Guarino

Posted on 08/02/2003 5:01:12 AM PDT by ninonitti

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To: ExSoldier
Kerry must figure that more gays than Catholics vote

I think Kerry figures/knows that a yellowdog regardless of religion, will always put the party before his/her particular religion--unless their pagans of course since that would be redundant.

61 posted on 08/02/2003 8:07:21 AM PDT by DaBroasta (GRID will eventually cure homosexuality)
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To: ninonitti
What's with these uninformed politicos? There's no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution. It's an idea perpetrated on the unsuspecting American public by the ACLU since the mid-40s. Yes, it originally came from Jefferson during his speech at the Danbury Baptist Church in the 1700s. However, the ACLU used the idea to win a case in the 40s that started the precedent. No where in the constitution does it say "separation of church and state" only the nation can't start a national religion. We need to inform as many people as possible to not fall into the left-thinking.
62 posted on 08/02/2003 8:09:13 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: JesseHousman
Kerry should be excommunicated. He's not even a CINO like me.
63 posted on 08/02/2003 8:23:22 AM PDT by arasina (click here ---no, wait a minute---DON'T!)
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To: ninonitti

No moral outrage that men are committing the form of murder-suicide called 'sodomy' and having it blessed by the Democratic Party, but if the Pope lends his voice of moral authority and condemns this assault on the very foundations of society then that is a moral outrage. Uh-huh.

64 posted on 08/02/2003 8:40:49 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Kerry no doubt figures the Church is a safe hit now. As if "sodomy" hasn't caused the Church enough problems in the last year. Kerry is one of those types that not only shoves it down your throat...he wants you to take it lying down and pay for it as well. It's a crime against PC now to object to sodomy apparently.
65 posted on 08/02/2003 8:51:41 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ninonitti
Gays make up something like 1 or 2% of the population, most likely. I don't get this latest surge in gay pandering, or all the TV shows about them or with them as lead characters. They are probably the smallest "minority group" in America! Does any of thia make sense, for them to be a "wedge issue"...for either side?
66 posted on 08/02/2003 9:37:25 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: ninonitti
Didn't Bush get slammed for some of his undiplomatic comments about and to world leaders ie a cowboy mentality ? If so, then

Does it make sense to have a presidential candidiate piss off the leader of the worlds Catholics ? Does this guy sound like the kind of diplomat that will win hearts and minds of our foreign governments ? Isn't Rome considered a foreign gov't?

67 posted on 08/02/2003 10:18:37 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: ninonitti
Keep in mind that the Hispanic vote is mostly committed Catholics.
68 posted on 08/02/2003 10:20:38 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: ninonitti
``Our founding fathers separated church and state in America. It is an important separation,'' he said.

Kerry seems to think it's so important the Church should let it trump their own moral duty to instruct the faithful in matters of morality. Nice to see the Vatican disagrees.

It would be even nicer to see them take some public actions in response to the public statements of certain Catholics who seem to think it's their right to instruct people about the Catholic faith in a way that defies the Church's actual authorities.

69 posted on 08/02/2003 10:30:53 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: ninonitti
``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

Oh yes! This b*stard set a precedent for all later libs to follow. Kennedy is NOT of fond memory to real Catholics.

70 posted on 08/02/2003 10:34:03 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ninonitti
A fuming Kerry, taking on his own Catholic Church in the midst of a campaign for president, said Rome should have more respect for America's long-held separation of church and state.
``It is important not to have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country,'' Kerry said. ``President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today.''

There are others, somewhat more moderate though not more consistent, who affirm that the morality of individuals is to be guided by the divine law, but not the morality of the State, for that in public affairs the commands of God may be passed over, and may be entirely disregarded in the framing of laws. Hence follows the fatal theory of the need of separation between Church and State. But the absurdity of such a position is manifest. Nature herself proclaims the necessity of the State providing means and opportunities whereby the community may be enabled to live properly, that is to say, according to the laws of God. For, since God is the source of all goodness and justice, it is absolutely ridiculous that the State should pay no attention to these laws or render them abortive by contrary enactments. Besides, those who are in authority owe it to the commonwealth not only to provide for its external well-being and the conveniences of life, but still more to consult the welfare of men's souls in the wisdom of their legislation. But, for the increase of such benefits, nothing more suitable can be conceived than the laws which have God for their author; and, therefore, they who in their government of the State take no account of these laws abuse political power by causing it to deviate from its proper end and from what nature itself prescribes. And, what is still more important, and what We have more than once pointed out, although the civil authority has not the same proximate end as the spiritual, nor proceeds on the same lines, nevertheless in the exercise of their separate powers they must occasionally meet. For their subjects are the same, and not infrequently they deal with the same objects, though in different ways. Whenever this occurs, since a state of conflict is absurd and manifestly repugnant to the most wise ordinance of God, there must necessarily exist some order or mode of procedure to remove the occasions of difference and contention, and to secure harmony in all things. This harmony has been not inaptly compared to that which exists between the body and the soul for the well-being of both one and the other, the separation of which brings irremediable harm to the body, since it extinguishes its very life.

~His Holiness Pope Leo XIII, Libertas - On the Nature of Human Liberty , June 20, 1888


71 posted on 08/02/2003 11:06:14 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: ninonitti
Yet another example of the Democrats bashing Catholics. Add Kerrey to the offical bigot list.
72 posted on 08/02/2003 1:11:10 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Snuffington
There have to be some Freepers here with some kind of pull in the RCC. Why isn't the RCC at least publically condemning Cahtolic hating, abortion supporting CINOs?

I understand excommunication is considered extreme in Catholic doctrine, but I also seem to remember from my European history that the RCC has a host of lessor punishments and such to try and bring wayword Catholic back to the church, or at least let the faithful know the church does not approve...
73 posted on 08/02/2003 1:14:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Van Jenerette

THOMAS JEFFERSON MEMORIAL

STATUE CHAMBER INSCRIPTIONS

I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

Taken from a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men. We...solemnly publish and declare, that these colonies are and of right ought to be free and independent states...And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

Taken from the Declaration of Independence, 1776.

Almighty God hath created the mind free…All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens…are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion…No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively.

Taken from A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1777. The last sentence is taken from a letter to James Madison, August 28, 1789.

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than these people are to be free. Establish the law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state to effect and on a general plan.

Taken from:

A Summary View of the Rights of British America: "God...liberty."

Notes on the State of Virginia: "Can...God?"

Notes on the State of Virginia: "commerce...despotism."

The Autobiography: "Nothing...free."

Letter to George Wythe, August 13, 1780 (?): "Establish...people."

Letter to George Washington, January 4, 1786: "This...plan."

I am certainly not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.

Taken from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816.

 

74 posted on 08/02/2003 2:19:37 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: ninonitti
As a Catholic attorney, I am personally interested in any imposition of a religious test to exclude Catholics from the Federal judiciary based on their belief in mainstream doctrine. Let's look at how different people see William Pryor's qualification for the Federal bench in the light of GOP accusations of bigotry against doctinaire Catholics:--------------------------- "That couldn't be further from the truth. This judge is not a good judge."- John Kerry.---------------------- --------------v.---------------------------------------------------- "Qualified"- American Bar Association._______________________________________ Decide for yourself which is more believable.-------- Tasty Manatees
75 posted on 08/02/2003 2:46:52 PM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: Imagine
Memo to Kerry: STFU

You got that right.

Personally, I believe that Kerry’s heart is not in this race. He has no chance and he knows it. He has been forced to take absurd positions in order to out left Dean. It won't work, and he knows that as well.

Kerry's campaign is a sham, and he is going to do subtly what ever he can to cause it to implode. I would not be surprised to see him have a recurrence of his "cancer." The man wants out of this race, and he simply is looking for a reason to justify it. I predict a health issue.

76 posted on 08/02/2003 5:31:53 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Northern Yankee
It truly shows just how far the Democratic Party has strayed since the 1960's

The Democrat Party has been hi-jacked. It seems to me that people are awakening to this reality.

Alienating Catholics by dissing the Pope is anathema for John Kerry. He is so over.

77 posted on 08/02/2003 5:41:22 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Penny
I live in the Peoples republic of Massachusetts and have been writing this feckless lurch for years. His office stopped answering my e-mails awhile back when I told them, if it came to a choice between Sharpton and Kerry I would vote for sharpton. I like sharpton about as much as a sharp stick in my eye.
78 posted on 08/03/2003 5:45:00 AM PDT by chatham
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To: ninonitti
Hey wait a minute, a few monthes ago Kerry and his ilk were running yapping about how Bush SHOULD listen to the Pope (about the war). In fact they were extremely adement that the government follow his exact suggestions. Just read Michael Moron's rants.

What gives, 'RAT hypocrites? No longer able to exploit religion for your "cause"?

79 posted on 08/03/2003 3:40:45 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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To: rhinohunter; NYer; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ..
Ping
80 posted on 08/03/2003 6:07:42 PM PDT by Saint Athanasius (How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers - Mother Theresa)
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