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To: nathanbedford
As I said I am going by memory now many years later but I seem to remember reading that he rendered written reports

So he did. But not as a spy. His first visits to Germany was as an official observer for the us armed forces. And he crafted his reports in a way calculated to put America off any notion of going to war with Germany.

The "spy" legend seems to be strictly that: a legend designed to give him stature (an effort that seems to have been at the center of his life during the thirties, and which was unremittingly plowed back into propaganda work for the "America First" party).

He lived for a time in England and, I think, France but he chose not to live in Hitler's Germany

Only because of the war. Awfully inconvenient to live where American bombs would be falling, you know ;).

It was natural that he would be honored in turn by Germany after virtually every other country on earth had honored him.

Yeah, sure. The personal friend of Joseph Gõbbels, who got this mention in Göbbels's diary:

"Lindbergh has written a really spirited letter to Roosevelt. He is the president's toughest opponent. He asked us not to give him too much prominence, since this could harm him. We have proceeded accordingly."

When your man FDR feted

Ah. Now we're getting somewhere ;). You're not exactly too kindly disposed towards Roosevelt, are you? You wouldn't be one of those who like to call him Rosenfeld, by any chance?

Lindberg moved heaven and earth to serve his country.

Such a long and spirited rant in defense of this "hero". Lindbergh served as a civilian test pilot, and never lifted arms against Germans. He saw combat against Japanese aircraft, which was, strictly speaking, not something he was supposed to see. Still, it probably didn't do any harm because even if "flying freelance" he wouldn't have had access to any sensitive data (which he might well have had if he'd been let back into the armed forces).

Finally, I still see no evidence in your materials to support your assertion that Lindberg was a "Hitler - worshiper."

All I can say to that is "nuts". And offer up the real Lindbergh:

From an article for "Reader's Digest:

"Aviation is a tool especially shaped for Western hands, a scientific art which others only copy in a mediocre fashion; another barrier between the teeming millions of Asia and the Grecian inheritance of Europe -- one of the priceless possessions which permit the White race to live at all in a sea of Yellow, Black and Brown...
We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races."

From a speech in Des Moines, Iowa (where the public seems to have run him off):

"The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish, and the Roosevelt Administration.

Instead of agitating for war, Jews in this country should be opposing it in every way, for they will be the first to feel its consequences. Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government."

There is much more.

Now we have seen Lindbergh as adulterer, if not bigamist. Look for research on the Lindbergh kidnapping case to hit mainstream news in the near future. You have a surprise or two coming your way.

29 posted on 08/03/2003 9:11:01 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Cachelot
A man comes home, flops down on the couch and calls to his wife, "et me a beer before the shit starts." She lovingly complies and he drinks his beer while prone on the couch and watches the tube. He again calls out, "Get me another beer before the shit starts." Again she complies and he continues as before. When he calls out a third time, "get me a beer before the shit starts," this time, instead of complying as before she says," how dare you talk to me like that, you have done nothing but drink beer and lie on that couch, you are rude, selfish and loathesome....." He interrupts with a dismissive wave of the hand and says, "Nevermind the beer, the shit has already started."

It is evident that the despicable insinuations have started:

When your man FDR feted

Ah. Now we're getting somewhere ;). You're not exactly too kindly disposed towards Roosevelt, are you? You wouldn't be one of those who like to call him Rosenfeld, by any chance?

I will say this one time only for the record, despite your insinuations, I am not anti-semitic. But I am getting damn sick and tired of dealing with such insinuations whenever an argument departs from someone's liking such as yourself. Roosevelt was called "your man" because you cited him and his opinion that Lindberg was a Nazi. You brought his bona fides into play, not I. He is your source, your expert, "your man."

I will not insinuate, I will frankly state that your outrage at Lindberg is selective. Compare these written remarks of Harry Truman to those of Lindberg and tell me about how you leaped into cyberspace in righteous indignation to condemn him:

"The Jews I find are very, very selfish," Truman wrote on July 21. "They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire."

Please spare me any more insinuations about my motives. Until you can show me that Lindberg was egregious or unique or even as bad as Truman, you have not made a convincing case that he was a "Hitler -worshipper." Lindberg's problem apparently was not his anti-semitism but his politics. Trumans's anti-semitism has been condoned because of his politics.

Shame on you for making these insinuations.

30 posted on 08/03/2003 11:38:48 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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