What Is Mine Is Mine, What Is Yours Is Negotiable

Rosbalt News ^ | 7/30/03 | Peter Lavelle

[jjm2111]

bump for later read.

[Iris7]

Reminds me of Ivan and the Boyars and Peter and the Yeltsi. Or even Stalin and the Old Bolsheviks.

[lilylangtree]

Sounds like my sister and her husband's relationship. Even though she's the working one in the family, his theory is what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine regardless if I have to weasel it out of you.

[DPB101]

Good analogy. It is much like the demise of Trotsky, Radek and Zinoviev. The Moscow Times even has an article today suggesting that: Putin in Stalin's Footsteps

Doesn't mention the oligarchs, only Putin's supposed military ambitions. Designed to frighten western investors and help the oligarchs (who happen to run the media in Russia).

[HISSKGB]

Lavelle writes this as if this were a case of Khodorkovsky's property rights and ignores the crimes involved. Does Lavalle think shooting a mayor and others or locking minority stockholders out are included in Khodorkovsky's property rights?

The last time I looked the State Department had issued cautions to warn American businessmen in Russia of prevalent extortion and fraud. It even mentioned that some felt the need to hire their own security for personal protection while doing business over there.

The owners of Russian media are pretending when they say Khodorkovsky respects the law.

[DPB101]

The Russian media is just like ours! If one didn't know how the economy was privatized, one would think Khodorkovsky was an Horatio Alger character set upon by evil forces.

[Grampa Dave]

One of the many reasons the USSR communists and current communists are so dear to our left wing maggots who control the DemonicRats is summarized with this statement:

"What is mine is mine, what is yours is negotiable!"

[DPB101]

Khodorkovsky and 13 other oligarchs who own about 70% of Russia are now funding Zuganov--the leader of Communist party. Cute, isn't it? Just like our own Ted Turner.

[Grampa Dave]

I'm sure that Ted Fonda, Soros and other left wing elites have been excellent mentors to the "new" thugs in charge of Russia.

[DPB101]

Soros is Khodorkovsky 's mentor. He funds the same type of "new society" programs Soros does. And Khodorkovsky has more money than Soros. Marc Rich is involved with this crowd too.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks, I was not aware of this background of these two characters:

Soros is Khodorkovsky's mentor. He funds the same type of "new society" programs Soros does. Khodorkovsky has more money than Soros. Marc Rich is involved with this crowd too.

[DPB101]

It is complicated and brings back all the corruption of the Clinton years. PhilDragoo has a concise rundown of the players here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/954120/posts?page=4#4

The Town in the Middle of the Yukos Storm (Putin vs Khodorkovsky and the Oligarchs)

[Liz]

More bgrnd info from FPA.



http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info2497/newsletter_info_sub_list.htm?section=Business%20in%20Russia

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks.

I have pinged Phil re this, incase he was not aware of it.

[DPB101]

Murder charges too. Nice.

The Boston Globe today came out on the side of Khodorkovsky (with some minor hem-hawing about how he "might" have earned his money).

The New York Times/Boston Globe now support "Robber Barons". Guess it is all who you know.

[Liz]

Yeah, but look who the author is......a Harvard man. Harvard sent a team over there to help the Russkis set up a market system and to stabilize the currency. College MBA programs send students over for a 2-week immersion course in the new Russian economy.

[DPB101]

Same team which set up the Enron business model. Oddly enough Khodorkovsky and Fastow both used Caribbean banks to for their fraud. Wonder if they used the same banks. Russians were amused when Enron fell. They got ripped off a few years earlier.

[Liz]

Same Caribe bank, eh? I guess Khodorkovsky attended some of those A-list parties Andy threw for Enron insiders.

[Liz]

6/30/03 N Y POST -- Big political donor

EXCLUSIVE A wealthy Russian-American businessman who has been linked to organized crime in FBI and Interpol reports was recently honored by the City Council, The Post has learned.

Semyon "Sam" Kislin, a 68-year-old commodities trader who once gave large donations to ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), is a suspected member of a Brooklyn-based Russian crime syndicate. He allegedly used his company, Trans Commodities, now of Westchester, to launder millions of dollars, according to the FBI and Interpol.

Kislin did not return phone calls. In the past, Kislin has denied all wrongdoing and, in one press conference, even denied the existence of Russian organized crime. "There is no such thing as a Russian mafia," Kislin said in a 1999 press conference. At the time, Kislin acknowledged talking to the FBI.

Despite internal FBI reports alleging money laundering and mob ties, the bureau never pursued charges. According to the recent City Council invitation, the lawmakers honored Kislin and other immigrants from the former Soviet Union at a City Hall event on May 8.

Chris Policano, the City Council spokesman, said he did not know why Kislin was honored. The May 8 event was the second annual event "to honor the common heritage of new Americans from the former Soviet Union," Policano said. Kislin's name has been linked to the Russian mob for about a decade.

A 1994 FBI intelligence report called him a "member or associate" of a Brighton Beach crime operation headed by Vyacheslav "Little Japanese" Ivankov, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 1997 for extortion and a fraudulent marriage to prevent his deportation.

The FBI report claims Kislin's company co-sponsored a Russian crime boss and contract killer for a U.S. visa, and called Kislin a "close associate" of the late arms smuggler Babeck Seroush.

By 1999, Kislin's name was in the news when his political contributions to Giuliani, Schumer, Sen. Alfonse D'Amato and President Bill Clinton came to light. Giuliani then appointed Kislin to the city's Economic Development Corp., which helps protect the city's job base. But Mayor Bloomberg did not reappoint him, a spokesman said, declining to say why.