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To: Seselj; DTA; Hoplite
That's funny that the western media (ITN, for example) sent film crews to depict Serbs as Nazi's, and even went so far as to put themselves, the film crew, behind a dilapidated fence (bottom part: chicken wire; top part: a few strands of barbed wire) to project that image.

Yet, even in that footage, there is no trace of blood, bruises, mutilation, disfigurement, nor filth on the men or their clothes. That they showed one real skinny man, Fikret Alic - the skinniest of them all - (and who is alive today, married to a Bosnian woman and with at least one kid) does not prove that he became that way after 9 days there.

If cameras were sent to Bosnian Muslim-Croat torture/beating/death camps for Serbs (Muslims and Croats acting the Nazis again, same as their grandpas and fathers), they'd show bloodied, dirtied, and disfigured men:

Celebic Camp

Tunnel

Around 10 o'clock on June 24, nine men dressed in camouflage uniforms broke into my father-in-law's house. On their heads they wore green berets and introduced themselves as Policemen from the Bosnian Territorial Defense. They took off my wedding ring and wrist watch, handcuffed and blindfolded me and took me to a van in which they had driven to the house. Soon we were in the center of the village. There, two more members of the "green berets" entered; those two beat me up with a metal bar used to clean a mortar...

We made frequent stops to pick up other "green berets". All of them them beat me and M.S. who had been arrested together with me. They knocked out a few of my teeth. They were hitting my arms and legs and using all kinds of things; I was covered with blood.

At about 2:30 p.m. we arrived to Celebic camp, a former Yugoslav Peoples Army base. The two of us were forced to stand against the headquarters building wall. There, we were taken over by the deputy commander, Hazim Delic. He wanted to hear our names. He kicked us both in the ribs several times. Guards took off our blindfolds and pushed us down a manhole. They covered the manhole; they urinated and threw stones on us... We spent 24 hours in that manhole...

Zeljko Milosevic (born in 1961) was murdered on July 19. They found some documents from which they could tell that Zeljko had been trained as a sharp shooter during his military service. That's why they killed him. They beat him, pulled out his tongue, pushed hot nails under his nails, hammered an SDS badge into his forehead. Once they killed him with blows and torture, they left his body in front of the tunnel for 23 days. They took us all out several times to see the body and told us that we would all end up like that.

I had dreamt of bread only for three days. They did not give us food; we were like skin and bones. Exhausted, we would faint several times a day from hunger and beatings. Sometimes they would take us outside to urinate, four of us together. But they wouldn't let us finish: half way through it they woudl start hitting us with a baseball bat on the kidneys... We were beaten by everyone in the camp. Deputy commander, Hazim Delic and Esad Landzo, a.k.a. Zenga were the worst. They called commander Mucic Pavo...

Hangar

There were already 200 people in the hangar, most of them from Bradina. They looked like ghosts. Most of them had bold patches on their scalps. All of them were covered with bruises. They told us that 20 people had been killed before we arrived. The following people were killed during the first seven days of my imprisonment: Simo Jovanovic, Scepan Gotovac, Nedo Milosevic, Bosko Samoukic and Zeljko Klimenta a.k.a. Keljo.


10 posted on 07/28/2003 5:29:26 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
I don't believe anybody here is denying that bad things happened to Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia in the 1990's, Joan - the ICTY has persecuted individuals who committed crimes at Celebici.

There is a reason the ITN team wasn't allowed unsupervised access to Omarska and Trnopolje, Joan - it has to do with Arkan in Bijeljina and Goran Jelisic in Brcko: The Serbs who were working to make greater Serbia didn't do to well with people photographing the actual work of making an ethnically pure state.

Even the dog and pony shows they put on, like the ITN trip to Trnopolje and Omarska smack of German footage of soup kitchens in Warsaw after it was taken - huh, there's that Nazi thing again.

11 posted on 07/28/2003 6:45:24 PM PDT by Hoplite
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